Canadian Politician Says PETA Throwing a Pie is Terrorism

peta pieingA PETA activist pied the Fisheries Minister of Canada, as a publicity stunt to draw attention to Canada’s seal slaughter, and now a member of parliament says the pieing should be investigated as an act of terrorism.

The Globe and Mail reports that the member of parliament, Gerry Byrne, said:

“When someone actually coaches or conducts criminal behaviour to impose a political agenda on each and every other citizen of Canada, that does seem to me to meet the test of a terrorist organization…”

“I am calling on the Government of Canada to actually investigate whether or not this organization, PETA, is acting as a terrorist organization under the test that exists under Canadian law.”

Ingrid Newkirk, the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, called it empty posturing and said “It is unlikely to impress anyone who has a heart for animals or who is bright enough to spot the difference between a bomb and a tofu cream pie.”

The whole thing sounds a bit outlandish, huh? Well, unfortunately this isn’t the first time people have called for labeling tofu cream pies as terrorism.

To put this in a bit of historical context, pieings were much more common in the 90s when groups like the Biotic Baking Brigade and others snuck into corporate meetings to lob a pie at a dignitary. The point of the whole thing, of course, is to make a silly spectacle. It’s hard to be taken too seriously when your face is covered with vegan whipped cream.

When corporation and industry groups were calling for an expansion of “animal enterprise terrorism” statutes, one of the claims they made is that the law did not cover “not so savage acts” like pies in the face. Really. Check out this background document on the Animal Enterprise Protection Act. Ultimately, that law was expanded and became the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act.

I suspect this will all blow over, much to the dismay of corporate hacks like the Center for Consumer Freedom, which put out a press release egging the whole thing on. But that’s not the point.

The real danger is that this “terrorist” PR campaign, which has been going on since the 80s, has worked its way to the top levels of government, here and abroad. Regardless of how you feel about PETA, pies or parliament, that should make everyone stop dead in their tracks.

Scarce anti-terrorism resources devoted to investigating tofu cream pies, or threatening to investigate tofu cream pies, are resources better spent keeping people safe from less savory national security threats.

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  • veganlove
    I love Peta; I love Ingrid, I love that woman's heart and I know where she is coming from. When you witness the cruelty and sadism toward helpless beings, beautiful creations of life, you realize that what they are doing outweighs anything that you could do to desperately bring attention to that matter. Peta desperately calls EVERYONE to look at these things; to cause our attention to it; it's important and thought-provoking, and a little pie in the face for someone who advocates the brutal murder of such precious babies seems like just a mere nick in the whole totality of the situation. It's just a blip. But I hope someone sees it. I hope it changes a few people. We gotta be able to show these people for what they really are: they are the bad guy. They are the murderers. They are the greedy, the haughty, the callous, the unfeeling; the selfish, the narcissistic. A little pie in the face is nothing compared to what these sick satanic people do.
  • This nonsense makes a mockery of the memories of people killed in real terrorist attacks.

    I can't stand PETA, and I find this ridiculous.
  • Lisa/LiberationNOW
    People can say what they like about PETA and they do have silly tactics sometimes, but they have done more for animals than any other group in the world. They do care however for the short term suffering of animals and not just the long term (total liberation) goal. They seek to ease the suffering in the here and now for animals and some find that as "selling out the movement". There are animals suffering this very second and I can't put blame on a group that is doing something about that. Factory farming, etc will not end tomorrow so the animals need help now, a step at a time. No group is perfect.
  • Cesar
    And also, PETA kills healthy animals at their headquarters, 85 percent of the animals they "rescued" since 1997 or so according to Newsweek. Is that helping animals now, in the short term?
    My partner was there in Norfolk interning when the news broke and, after what she saw and heard from Peta heads, she stopped supporting Peta immediately. This was in addition to the fact that my partner is black and Peta is overwhelmingly white and racist.
  • Lisa/LiberationNOW
    Cesar,

    I was aware that PETA does euthanize some of the animals they take in but I was unaware of the specifics. I did read that they have spayed and neutered 50,000 to date and in doing so prevented the births of at least double that amount of animals. PETA is not a terrorist organization for throwing a pie or for anything else. The fact that they have spayed and neutered thousands of animals in no way justifies killing healthy dogs and cats. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary takes any dog. I am against euthanasia because there are alternatives. I also had no idea that PETA opposes no kill initiatives and collaborates with instutional abusers. I have only known of campaigns against KFC, McDonalds and Petsmart but had no idea they actually collaborate with them. Maybe I should not have spouted off about PETA without doing research that is more thorough. I do not support everything that PETA does. I totally understand what you are saying though, what do they really accomplish and at what price? I am with you Cesar. I am just so utterly frustrated with the movement as a whole.

    I guess my main concern is “relieving some suffering” that is where I am so torn. Is there a way to alleviate the suffering of animals on factory farms in a timely manner without working with those who exploit them? Convictions and penalties for abusive farmhands and farm owners are virtually nonexistent. The animals cannot keep waiting; laws take too long to change.

    After PETA came out with their undercover investigation footage of the supplier to Land O’ Lakes, I read their 12 PT Plan they presented to them. I thought to myself, if this plan were to be adopted it would ease the suffering of thousands of animals. It would make their lives more bearable. It was a great plan. How could I not support that? Promoting veganism is not enough. I have never looked at PETA as a welfare organization before until now so I must say thank you for your information and wisdom. It has changed my views on some things. I would never knowingly support a “welfare organization” and I apologize if I seem like I am on the fence.

    I am a very strict vegan and I hate pacifist welfare ideology. In fact, those who know me would call me militant. I do not belong to any AR organization and I believe in total liberation. What can we do now that will “relieve some of the suffering” for animals that will not compromise our integrity or long term goals?

    blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com
  • Cesar
    I would argue that PETA has done more harm for other animals than good. As Harry pointed out, PETA often works with institutional exploiters of other animals to increase the exploiters' production efficiency, which increases demand and the amount of animals used, which increases suffering. They then run fundraisers after their "victories" which actually are not "victories" for the other animals at all, but actually victories for PETA and their partners, the exploiters. Read their literature on CAK for a (one out of many) good example. Also, they actually encourage people, especially their members (who are by and large not vegans, or even vegetarians, according to Dan Matthews), to patron exploitative industries like KFC in Canada, Whole Foods, etc. They also turn people off to the cause of animal rights by running racist, sexist, fatphobic, transphobic, and other oppressive campaigns. This makes it so much more difficult to build relationships in solidarity with other progressive and social justice movements. I often hear people labeling someone like Gary Francione as someone who is dividing the "movement". Well if the "movement" is aligned with animal exploitative industries, as well as individuals (Wolfgang Puck, Temple Grandin, Peter Singer, etc.), then I can't imagine why any vegan or animal rights activist, who opposes the exploitation of other animals out of principle, would want to be a part of their "movement".
    Lisa, your claim that PETA is helping animals now is not supported by the facts. Just because they claim to be helping animals now, and run attention grabbing campaigns, doesn't make it so.
  • Stevian
    If you want to assign blame, you should blame the right people. The ones making a mockery of the victims of real terrorism aren't PeTA but those who equate PeTA's benign antics with actual terrorism
  • That's exactly what I was saying.
  • Harry
    Throwing a pie ain't terrorism, but other things PeTA does certainly is--like euthanizing animals instead of doling out a fraction of their millions for vet care/foster homes, like recommending Michael Vick's dogs be euthanized, like working with Burger King and KFC on the "best" ways to massacre hundreds of millions of animals and then giving them gobs of free advertising...
  • Lisa/LiberationNOW
    euthanizing animals and working with companies to relieve some of the suffering of animals is terrorism? Wow, unbelievable how that word can mean anything.
  • Cesar
    Too bad one of my comments did not get posted.

    Lisa, Nathan Winograd knows firsthand that PETA (As well as HSUS) actively opposes, and intentionally frustrates, no kill initiatives for companion animals. His interview on vegan freaks (episode 83 I believe) has some good info and his book is very eye opening.
    To me the problem lies in the philosophy of "relieving some suffering" because, according to PETA (and others who adhere to welfare ideology), killing healthy animals is relieving suffering. Not only is this misguided and erroneous but it is antithetical to the rights-based philosophy that PETA claims to uphold.
    From the view of the dogs and cats involved Peta certainly could be considered a "terrorist organization". That does not mean that they should be considered terrorists for nonsensical acts such as pie throwing.
  • pieman420
    i urge all to let 1,000 pies fly in the face of all pig politicians!!!
    pie throwing is not terrorism at all!!! terrorism is bombing iraq and afghanistan!!!
    aron pieman kay
    pieman.org
  • Lisa/LiberationNOW
    "Pig" politicians? Don't give poor pigs a bad rap by calling them a politician. Pigs are smarter than most of them anyways!
  • Cesar
    Throwing pies in peoples' faces may not be terrorism but it certainly does further trivialize the cause of animal rights. All attention is not good attention.
  • pieman420
    as the mad yippie pie thrower, i urge all to let 1,000 pies fly in the face of all pig politicians
    aron pieman kay
    pieman.org
  • Harry
    Calling politicians or cops "pigs" either elevates the humans or denegrates the animals, neither of which is appropriate. I much prefer non-speciesist terms like scum, filth, or fuckwads.
  • hearthrob
    The real crime, I think, is the scarf.
  • ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
  • mayfist
    Tell me this is a prank... please....

    How exacly is a pie a terrorist attack ?
    So clowns doing the pie act are soon going to be allowed to sue there side kick for terrorism ?

    This is retarded... really... i am shocked...
  • Steve
    The arguments I see for saying pie throwing is terrorism are a. the subject of the 'attack' could be allergic to soy (that one I assume is tongue in cheek, anyone could be allergic to anything) and b. it could have been a bomb, this also fails, anything could be anything. The only solution is for everybody to be confined as potential terrorists. I can think of only one denizen of ths board who could think that that is a viable solution
  • Quite an over-dramatized event for just a pie in the face...
  • hawkgirl
    Maybe those seal murdering folks are extra pissed because some vegan food literally got in their face.... My only quibble is political pie-makers should stop wasting yummy goodies and use mud.
  • Joe
    Its a seal hunt not a slaughter, using PETA as an information source is as bad as using wiki.
  • LiberationNOW
    Joe Joe Joe,

    It certainly can be called many things but "hunt" is the least offensive word. Bashing baby seals over the head with clubs IS OFFENSIVE and slaughter is the appropriate word. It is what it is, no matter how you care to word it.
  • matt
    deceptive, biased words sustain injustice toward nonhuman animals. speciesist abuse relies on euphemism, doublespeak, and other linguistic ploys --joan dunayer
  • I don't think bludgeoning infant seals with a club is a "hunt."
  • EnigmaGoldman
    If you want to make your own vegan cream pie and don't want to go through all the hassle of blending the tofu yourself, try this product: http://www.veganstore.com/soyatoo-soy-whip-topp...

    Great for eating or lobbing at politicians!

    Also, do you think posting this comment counts as aiding terrorists?
  • The right-wing operative who made the phony anti-ACORN videos and got Congress to pass an unconstitutional bill of attainder, was caught with some friends trying to place a bug in the office of a Senator who has access to classified information, and that WAS NOT called terrorism, and is being defended as just a prank. The sole criterion as to whether something is terrorism or not appears to be whether or not the corporate oligarchies that control neoliberal governments approve or disapprove of it.
  • If I fart in public, does that make me a terrorist? My farts do smell bad! LMAO
  • matt
    oh the horror. 17 civilians were attacked today, victims of a pie throwing incident by muslim extremists. president obama asked the country to pray for them and their families ;)
  • Allie
    clearly, if the investigation does take place, the only reaason to be worried would be if there was something to prove PETA as a terrorist organization, which (I should hope) there wouldn't be. This whole thing will just end up making Gerry Byrne look like an even bigger idiot.
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