Comments on: Bill to Revoke “Terrorists’” Citizenship is Like Those From Darker Periods of U.S. History http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/ "Eco-terrorism," environmental activism and animal rights activism Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dysnomia.us » Blog Archive » big brother round-up http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/#comment-235138 dysnomia.us » Blog Archive » big brother round-up Sun, 09 May 2010 20:07:55 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2778#comment-235138 [...] Bill to Revoke “Terrorists’” Citizenship is Like Those From Darker Periods of U.S. History Americans accused of being involved with terrorist organizations, even if they have never been convicted of a crime, could have their citizenship revoked under a bipartisan bill that has been introduced in Congress. [...] [...] Bill to Revoke “Terrorists’” Citizenship is Like Those From Darker Periods of U.S. History Americans accused of being involved with terrorist organizations, even if they have never been convicted of a crime, could have their citizenship revoked under a bipartisan bill that has been introduced in Congress. [...]

]]> By: Sean http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/#comment-235136 Sean Sat, 08 May 2010 19:32:33 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2778#comment-235136 When I first read your article, was inclined to agree and to some degree, I would say that the process itself (which is already in place and will not be altered by the Senators bill) seems unconstitutional. However, the bill is only adding criteria that defines treacherous activity, specifically aiding foreign terrorist organizations against the US and its allies. The actual process of appearing before the State Department is in place already and has been for quite some time. Lastly, if a person wanted to appeal the State Departments decision, they could take it to the federal courts. Good article Will, very thought provoking, thank you. When I first read your article, was inclined to agree and to some degree, I would say that the process itself (which is already in place and will not be altered by the Senators bill) seems unconstitutional. However, the bill is only adding criteria that defines treacherous activity, specifically aiding foreign terrorist organizations against the US and its allies. The actual process of appearing before the State Department is in place already and has been for quite some time. Lastly, if a person wanted to appeal the State Departments decision, they could take it to the federal courts. Good article Will, very thought provoking, thank you.

]]> By: Will Potter http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/#comment-235134 Will Potter Sat, 08 May 2010 04:14:19 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2778#comment-235134 Sean: Yes, I've read it, and to be clear I am not saying that domestic activists or organizations would be targeted by this bill. I was simply saying that this needs to be put in a larger political context, in which a variety of efforts are being made that are unconstitutional and overly broad. Sean: Yes, I've read it, and to be clear I am not saying that domestic activists or organizations would be targeted by this bill. I was simply saying that this needs to be put in a larger political context, in which a variety of efforts are being made that are unconstitutional and overly broad.

]]> By: sean http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/#comment-235133 sean Sat, 08 May 2010 04:02:27 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2778#comment-235133 Read the bill, <a href="http://lieberman.senate.gov/assets/pdf/TEA_full.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://lieberman.senate.gov/assets/pdf/TEA_full...</a> on Senator Lieberman's website. It's a short and easy read. It speaks directly to support of foreign terrorist organizations and to those supporting hostilities against the US and those engaged in hostilities that the US is engaged in (along side us). In fact, this expands upon USC Title 8, 1481 which already outlines how naturalized or native-borne citizens can lose/voluntarily renounce their citizenship, so that it is more pointed to target those who would support an enemy that would kill you and I. It seems fine to me. It would seem that people who set fire to lambskin outlets and commit other acts of felonious "domestic eco/animal enterprise terrorism," need not worry about this bill depriving them of their citizenship...unless, of course, they are looking to support or aid our enemies. I would be worried about losing certain civil rights though, as this is a possibility for some felonies. Read the bill, http://lieberman.senate.gov/assets/pdf/TEA_full… on Senator Lieberman's website. It's a short and easy read. It speaks directly to support of foreign terrorist organizations and to those supporting hostilities against the US and those engaged in hostilities that the US is engaged in (along side us). In fact, this expands upon USC Title 8, 1481 which already outlines how naturalized or native-borne citizens can lose/voluntarily renounce their citizenship, so that it is more pointed to target those who would support an enemy that would kill you and I. It seems fine to me. It would seem that people who set fire to lambskin outlets and commit other acts of felonious “domestic eco/animal enterprise terrorism,” need not worry about this bill depriving them of their citizenship…unless, of course, they are looking to support or aid our enemies. I would be worried about losing certain civil rights though, as this is a possibility for some felonies.

]]> By: Will Potter http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/#comment-235131 Will Potter Sat, 08 May 2010 01:37:39 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2778#comment-235131 Hi Tracy,<br>No, neither are on the 2010 list. <br><br>The State Dept list is described as solely for foreign terrorist organizations. <br><br>[As an interesting aside, though, the Justice Department has argued (in the Operation Backfire cases) that the ALF/ELF have an "international" element, and that ELF defendants had international support.] Hi Tracy,
No, neither are on the 2010 list.

The State Dept list is described as solely for foreign terrorist organizations.

[As an interesting aside, though, the Justice Department has argued (in the Operation Backfire cases) that the ALF/ELF have an "international" element, and that ELF defendants had international support.]

]]> By: Tracy H. http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/#comment-235130 Tracy H. Sat, 08 May 2010 01:34:39 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2778#comment-235130 Will, does the State Department consider ALF or ELF a terrorist organization? Will, does the State Department consider ALF or ELF a terrorist organization?

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