Comments on: Appellate Court: Encouraging Civil Disobedience is Not Protected Speech http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/ Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:11:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Progressive Mind » SHAC 7 Conviction Upheld by Appellate Court »GreenIsTheNewRed.com http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-234803 The Progressive Mind » SHAC 7 Conviction Upheld by Appellate Court »GreenIsTheNewRed.com Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:59:16 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-234803 [...] SHAC 7 Conviction Upheld by Appellate Court »GreenIsTheNewRed.com. March 4th, 2010 | Category: Uncategorized | Leave a comment | [...] [...] SHAC 7 Conviction Upheld by Appellate Court »GreenIsTheNewRed.com. March 4th, 2010 | Category: Uncategorized | Leave a comment | [...]

]]> By: Libra http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-234447 Libra Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:51:24 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-234447 Francis. Why dont you take some time and watch the HLS footage of the thousands of illegal and horrific acts upon animals in their labs. Watch that suffering and then lets talk. I seriously doubt you have seen the primates with their chest cavities cut wide open, hearts exposed and beating with no anesthesia. Watch that and then comment about thuggery. Francis. Why dont you take some time and watch the HLS footage of the thousands of illegal and horrific acts upon animals in their labs. Watch that suffering and then lets talk. I seriously doubt you have seen the primates with their chest cavities cut wide open, hearts exposed and beating with no anesthesia. Watch that and then comment about thuggery.

]]> By: md http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-230329 md Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:54:23 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-230329 We need to stop hiding behind the "no one has been hurt in the US" boilerplate. People will be hurt eventually, as Jerry Vlasak and others have admitted. Tactics like bombs and arson do not respect life, human or non-human. Even people like Steve Best, who justify the use of violence, still defend the ALF--in bad faith--by refering to the "no one has been hurt" mantra. We need to stop hiding behind the “no one has been hurt in the US” boilerplate. People will be hurt eventually, as Jerry Vlasak and others have admitted. Tactics like bombs and arson do not respect life, human or non-human. Even people like Steve Best, who justify the use of violence, still defend the ALF–in bad faith–by refering to the “no one has been hurt” mantra.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-229939 Kathy Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:58:46 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-229939 How very sad. I don't understand how these people are terrorists, but abortion protesters are not. Well, I do understand--it is really all about money and nobody makes money from abortion, so no one cares to protect it. It just seems so blatantly ridiculous to say this statute is not unconstitutional on its face when it is called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. If that isn't targeting a particular group for their beliefs, I don't know what is. How very sad. I don’t understand how these people are terrorists, but abortion protesters are not. Well, I do understand–it is really all about money and nobody makes money from abortion, so no one cares to protect it. It just seems so blatantly ridiculous to say this statute is not unconstitutional on its face when it is called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. If that isn’t targeting a particular group for their beliefs, I don’t know what is.

]]> By: Will Potter http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-229887 Will Potter Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:17:10 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-229887 @Ethan: I agree, chances at the Supreme Court would be slim. This bench is not strong on the First Amendment. There is also the option of petitioning for an en banc ruling, which means having the entire appellate court review the case (as opposed to the 3 judges who issued this ruling). Nothing has been decided at this point, to my knowledge. @Ethan:
I agree, chances at the Supreme Court would be slim. This bench is not strong on the First Amendment. There is also the option of petitioning for an en banc ruling, which means having the entire appellate court review the case (as opposed to the 3 judges who issued this ruling). Nothing has been decided at this point, to my knowledge.

]]> By: Ethan Tupelo http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-229886 Ethan Tupelo Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:12:36 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-229886 Do we know if there is going to be an attempt at another appeal? This seems like it is Supreme Court material at this point. I'm actually more worried than hopeful about another appeal, because the SC is likely conservative enough to uphold this for the entire country. Do we know if there is going to be an attempt at another appeal? This seems like it is Supreme Court material at this point. I’m actually more worried than hopeful about another appeal, because the SC is likely conservative enough to uphold this for the entire country.

]]> By: Will Potter http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-229885 Will Potter Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:10:46 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-229885 Huh? Who has been harmed at the Tea Bagger rallies? Did someone lose control of the semi-automatic weapons they have been bringing? You know, I really love comments like this because it's like playing "Six Degrees of Kevin Beacon," but with fetuses. It's amazing how every single issue can somehow be brought back to abortion. Huh? Who has been harmed at the Tea Bagger rallies? Did someone lose control of the semi-automatic weapons they have been bringing?

You know, I really love comments like this because it’s like playing “Six Degrees of Kevin Beacon,” but with fetuses. It’s amazing how every single issue can somehow be brought back to abortion.

]]> By: Just Plain Bill http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-229851 Just Plain Bill Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:36:37 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-229851 Hmmm, so you all are fine then with the Tea Party protests, where the only ones that have been hurt are the protesters themselves? I think you are probably not. And my experience with Radical Environmentalists and Animal Rightists is that they are perfectly fine with killing an unborn baby. What goes around comes around folks. Hmmm, so you all are fine then with the Tea Party protests, where the only ones that have been hurt are the protesters themselves? I think you are probably not.
And my experience with Radical Environmentalists and Animal Rightists is that they are perfectly fine with killing an unborn baby.

What goes around comes around folks.

]]> By: Two Essential Posts by Will Potter | Vegan.com http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-229847 Two Essential Posts by Will Potter | Vegan.com Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:58:02 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-229847 [...] Green Is the New Red blog are not to be missed. The first one deals with a federal appeals court upholding the Shac 7 conviction, and it concludes: This is critical time in American history. Corporations, working alongside [...] [...] Green Is the New Red blog are not to be missed. The first one deals with a federal appeals court upholding the Shac 7 conviction, and it concludes: This is critical time in American history. Corporations, working alongside [...]

]]> By: Gwen Lebec http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/comment-page-1/#comment-229801 Gwen Lebec Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:24:53 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307#comment-229801 I have to admit I didn't care about this until recently, as I have no use for ALF or ELF. But when right wingers began showing up at Presidential events with loaded guns - I started rethinking a lot of this. It seems we need some clarity. How can they be exercising free speech and it be all right, when animal advocates - even crazy ones - are much less dangerous and get arrested? Or are the laws just being applied randomly by who has the most power and influence. Guns at political events scare me to death. Animal crazies often go way too far, but even they have not been this looney. I have to admit I didn’t care about this until recently, as I have no use for ALF or ELF. But when right wingers began showing up at Presidential events with loaded guns – I started rethinking a lot of this. It seems we need some clarity. How can they be exercising free speech and it be all right, when animal advocates – even crazy ones – are much less dangerous and get arrested? Or are the laws just being applied randomly by who has the most power and influence. Guns at political events scare me to death. Animal crazies often go way too far, but even they have not been this looney.

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