I was aware that PETA does euthanize some of the animals they take in but I was unaware of the specifics. I did read that they have spayed and neutered 50,000 to date and in doing so prevented the births of at least double that amount of animals. PETA is not a terrorist organization for throwing a pie or for anything else. The fact that they have spayed and neutered thousands of animals in no way justifies killing healthy dogs and cats. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary takes any dog. I am against euthanasia because there are alternatives. I also had no idea that PETA opposes no kill initiatives and collaborates with instutional abusers. I have only known of campaigns against KFC, McDonalds and Petsmart but had no idea they actually collaborate with them. Maybe I should not have spouted off about PETA without doing research that is more thorough. I do not support everything that PETA does. I totally understand what you are saying though, what do they really accomplish and at what price? I am with you Cesar. I am just so utterly frustrated with the movement as a whole.

I guess my main concern is “relieving some suffering” that is where I am so torn. Is there a way to alleviate the suffering of animals on factory farms in a timely manner without working with those who exploit them? Convictions and penalties for abusive farmhands and farm owners are virtually nonexistent. The animals cannot keep waiting; laws take too long to change.

After PETA came out with their undercover investigation footage of the supplier to Land O’ Lakes, I read their 12 PT Plan they presented to them. I thought to myself, if this plan were to be adopted it would ease the suffering of thousands of animals. It would make their lives more bearable. It was a great plan. How could I not support that? Promoting veganism is not enough. I have never looked at PETA as a welfare organization before until now so I must say thank you for your information and wisdom. It has changed my views on some things. I would never knowingly support a “welfare organization” and I apologize if I seem like I am on the fence.

I am a very strict vegan and I hate pacifist welfare ideology. In fact, those who know me would call me militant. I do not belong to any AR organization and I believe in total liberation. What can we do now that will “relieve some of the suffering” for animals that will not compromise our integrity or long term goals?

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Lisa, Nathan Winograd knows firsthand that PETA (As well as HSUS) actively opposes, and intentionally frustrates, no kill initiatives for companion animals. His interview on vegan freaks (episode 83 I believe) has some good info and his book is very eye opening.
To me the problem lies in the philosophy of “relieving some suffering” because, according to PETA (and others who adhere to welfare ideology), killing healthy animals is relieving suffering. Not only is this misguided and erroneous but it is antithetical to the rights-based philosophy that PETA claims to uphold.
From the view of the dogs and cats involved Peta certainly could be considered a “terrorist organization”. That does not mean that they should be considered terrorists for nonsensical acts such as pie throwing.

I can't stand PETA, and I find this ridiculous.