Comments on: Canadian Politician Says PETA Throwing a Pie is Terrorism http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/ "Eco-terrorism," environmental activism and animal rights activism Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Responder http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-238118 Responder Wed, 03 Aug 2011 03:10:00 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-238118 The politician can't tell the difference between real terrorism and pie throwing, so he/she shouldn't have been elected. The politician can’t tell the difference between real terrorism and pie throwing, so he/she shouldn’t have been elected.

]]> By: Guest http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-238012 Guest Tue, 10 May 2011 02:01:00 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-238012 Sealers are terrorizing the seals, brutally slaughtering them and some politician denounces PETA as terrorists for throwing a cream pie in someone's face? Sealers are terrorizing the seals, brutally slaughtering them and some politician denounces PETA as terrorists for throwing a cream pie in someone’s face?

]]> By: Lisa/LiberationNOW http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-234726 Lisa/LiberationNOW Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:44:48 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-234726 Cesar,<br><br>I was aware that PETA does euthanize some of the animals they take in but I was unaware of the specifics. I did read that they have spayed and neutered 50,000 to date and in doing so prevented the births of at least double that amount of animals. PETA is not a terrorist organization for throwing a pie or for anything else. The fact that they have spayed and neutered thousands of animals in no way justifies killing healthy dogs and cats. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary takes any dog. I am against euthanasia because there are alternatives. I also had no idea that PETA opposes no kill initiatives and collaborates with instutional abusers. I have only known of campaigns against KFC, McDonalds and Petsmart but had no idea they actually collaborate with them. Maybe I should not have spouted off about PETA without doing research that is more thorough. I do not support everything that PETA does. I totally understand what you are saying though, what do they really accomplish and at what price? I am with you Cesar. I am just so utterly frustrated with the movement as a whole. <br><br>I guess my main concern is “relieving some suffering” that is where I am so torn. Is there a way to alleviate the suffering of animals on factory farms in a timely manner without working with those who exploit them? Convictions and penalties for abusive farmhands and farm owners are virtually nonexistent. The animals cannot keep waiting; laws take too long to change. <br><br>After PETA came out with their undercover investigation footage of the supplier to Land O’ Lakes, I read their 12 PT Plan they presented to them. I thought to myself, if this plan were to be adopted it would ease the suffering of thousands of animals. It would make their lives more bearable. It was a great plan. How could I not support that? Promoting veganism is not enough. I have never looked at PETA as a welfare organization before until now so I must say thank you for your information and wisdom. It has changed my views on some things. I would never knowingly support a “welfare organization” and I apologize if I seem like I am on the fence. <br><br>I am a very strict vegan and I hate pacifist welfare ideology. In fact, those who know me would call me militant. I do not belong to any AR organization and I believe in total liberation. What can we do now that will “relieve some of the suffering” for animals that will not compromise our integrity or long term goals?<br><br><a href="mailto:blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com</a> Cesar,

I was aware that PETA does euthanize some of the animals they take in but I was unaware of the specifics. I did read that they have spayed and neutered 50,000 to date and in doing so prevented the births of at least double that amount of animals. PETA is not a terrorist organization for throwing a pie or for anything else. The fact that they have spayed and neutered thousands of animals in no way justifies killing healthy dogs and cats. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary takes any dog. I am against euthanasia because there are alternatives. I also had no idea that PETA opposes no kill initiatives and collaborates with instutional abusers. I have only known of campaigns against KFC, McDonalds and Petsmart but had no idea they actually collaborate with them. Maybe I should not have spouted off about PETA without doing research that is more thorough. I do not support everything that PETA does. I totally understand what you are saying though, what do they really accomplish and at what price? I am with you Cesar. I am just so utterly frustrated with the movement as a whole.

I guess my main concern is “relieving some suffering” that is where I am so torn. Is there a way to alleviate the suffering of animals on factory farms in a timely manner without working with those who exploit them? Convictions and penalties for abusive farmhands and farm owners are virtually nonexistent. The animals cannot keep waiting; laws take too long to change.

After PETA came out with their undercover investigation footage of the supplier to Land O’ Lakes, I read their 12 PT Plan they presented to them. I thought to myself, if this plan were to be adopted it would ease the suffering of thousands of animals. It would make their lives more bearable. It was a great plan. How could I not support that? Promoting veganism is not enough. I have never looked at PETA as a welfare organization before until now so I must say thank you for your information and wisdom. It has changed my views on some things. I would never knowingly support a “welfare organization” and I apologize if I seem like I am on the fence.

I am a very strict vegan and I hate pacifist welfare ideology. In fact, those who know me would call me militant. I do not belong to any AR organization and I believe in total liberation. What can we do now that will “relieve some of the suffering” for animals that will not compromise our integrity or long term goals?

blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com

]]> By: Once a Terrorist, Always a Terrorist: Sean Maher Meets The Mentalist * » POP! goes The Vegan. http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-234711 Once a Terrorist, Always a Terrorist: Sean Maher Meets The Mentalist * » POP! goes The Vegan. Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:04:48 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-234711 [...] doubt that the entire crew of Serenity qualify as terrorists, even absent today’s uber-”inclusive” definition of the [...] [...] doubt that the entire crew of Serenity qualify as terrorists, even absent today’s uber-”inclusive” definition of the [...]

]]> By: Cesar http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-234713 Cesar Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:43:07 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-234713 Too bad one of my comments did not get posted.<br><br>Lisa, Nathan Winograd knows firsthand that PETA (As well as HSUS) actively opposes, and intentionally frustrates, no kill initiatives for companion animals. His interview on vegan freaks (episode 83 I believe) has some good info and his book is very eye opening. <br>To me the problem lies in the philosophy of "relieving some suffering" because, according to PETA (and others who adhere to welfare ideology), killing healthy animals is relieving suffering. Not only is this misguided and erroneous but it is antithetical to the rights-based philosophy that PETA claims to uphold. <br>From the view of the dogs and cats involved Peta certainly could be considered a "terrorist organization". That does not mean that they should be considered terrorists for nonsensical acts such as pie throwing. Too bad one of my comments did not get posted.

Lisa, Nathan Winograd knows firsthand that PETA (As well as HSUS) actively opposes, and intentionally frustrates, no kill initiatives for companion animals. His interview on vegan freaks (episode 83 I believe) has some good info and his book is very eye opening.
To me the problem lies in the philosophy of “relieving some suffering” because, according to PETA (and others who adhere to welfare ideology), killing healthy animals is relieving suffering. Not only is this misguided and erroneous but it is antithetical to the rights-based philosophy that PETA claims to uphold.
From the view of the dogs and cats involved Peta certainly could be considered a “terrorist organization”. That does not mean that they should be considered terrorists for nonsensical acts such as pie throwing.

]]> By: libhomo http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-234705 libhomo Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:53:41 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-234705 That's exactly what I was saying. That's exactly what I was saying.

]]> By: veganlove http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-234693 veganlove Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:16:10 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-234693 I love Peta; I love Ingrid, I love that woman's heart and I know where she is coming from. When you witness the cruelty and sadism toward helpless beings, beautiful creations of life, you realize that what they are doing outweighs anything that you could do to desperately bring attention to that matter. Peta desperately calls EVERYONE to look at these things; to cause our attention to it; it's important and thought-provoking, and a little pie in the face for someone who advocates the brutal murder of such precious babies seems like just a mere nick in the whole totality of the situation. It's just a blip. But I hope someone sees it. I hope it changes a few people. We gotta be able to show these people for what they really are: they are the bad guy. They are the murderers. They are the greedy, the haughty, the callous, the unfeeling; the selfish, the narcissistic. A little pie in the face is nothing compared to what these sick satanic people do. I love Peta; I love Ingrid, I love that woman's heart and I know where she is coming from. When you witness the cruelty and sadism toward helpless beings, beautiful creations of life, you realize that what they are doing outweighs anything that you could do to desperately bring attention to that matter. Peta desperately calls EVERYONE to look at these things; to cause our attention to it; it's important and thought-provoking, and a little pie in the face for someone who advocates the brutal murder of such precious babies seems like just a mere nick in the whole totality of the situation. It's just a blip. But I hope someone sees it. I hope it changes a few people. We gotta be able to show these people for what they really are: they are the bad guy. They are the murderers. They are the greedy, the haughty, the callous, the unfeeling; the selfish, the narcissistic. A little pie in the face is nothing compared to what these sick satanic people do.

]]> By: Cesar http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-237406 Cesar Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:25:00 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-237406 And also, PETA kills healthy animals at their headquarters, 85 percent of the animals they "rescued" since 1997 or so according to Newsweek. Is that helping animals now, in the short term? My partner was there in Norfolk interning when the news broke and, after what she saw and heard from Peta heads, she stopped supporting Peta immediately. This was in addition to the fact that my partner is black and Peta is overwhelmingly white and racist. And also, PETA kills healthy animals at their headquarters, 85 percent of the animals they “rescued” since 1997 or so according to Newsweek. Is that helping animals now, in the short term?
My partner was there in Norfolk interning when the news broke and, after what she saw and heard from Peta heads, she stopped supporting Peta immediately. This was in addition to the fact that my partner is black and Peta is overwhelmingly white and racist.

]]> By: Cesar http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-237405 Cesar Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:15:00 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-237405 I would argue that PETA has done more harm for other animals than good. As Harry pointed out, PETA often works with institutional exploiters of other animals to increase the exploiters' production efficiency, which increases demand and the amount of animals used, which increases suffering. They then run fundraisers after their "victories" which actually are not "victories" for the other animals at all, but actually victories for PETA and their partners, the exploiters. Read their literature on CAK for a (one out of many) good example. Also, they actually encourage people, especially their members (who are by and large not vegans, or even vegetarians, according to Dan Matthews), to patron exploitative industries like KFC in Canada, Whole Foods, etc. They also turn people off to the cause of animal rights by running racist, sexist, fatphobic, transphobic, and other oppressive campaigns. This makes it so much more difficult to build relationships in solidarity with other progressive and social justice movements. I often hear people labeling someone like Gary Francione as someone who is dividing the "movement". Well if the "movement" is aligned with animal exploitative industries, as well as individuals (Wolfgang Puck, Temple Grandin, Peter Singer, etc.), then I can't imagine why any vegan or animal rights activist, who opposes the exploitation of other animals out of principle, would want to be a part of their "movement". Lisa, your claim that PETA is helping animals now is not supported by the facts. Just because they claim to be helping animals now, and run attention grabbing campaigns, doesn't make it so. I would argue that PETA has done more harm for other animals than good. As Harry pointed out, PETA often works with institutional exploiters of other animals to increase the exploiters’ production efficiency, which increases demand and the amount of animals used, which increases suffering. They then run fundraisers after their “victories” which actually are not “victories” for the other animals at all, but actually victories for PETA and their partners, the exploiters. Read their literature on CAK for a (one out of many) good example. Also, they actually encourage people, especially their members (who are by and large not vegans, or even vegetarians, according to Dan Matthews), to patron exploitative industries like KFC in Canada, Whole Foods, etc. They also turn people off to the cause of animal rights by running racist, sexist, fatphobic, transphobic, and other oppressive campaigns. This makes it so much more difficult to build relationships in solidarity with other progressive and social justice movements. I often hear people labeling someone like Gary Francione as someone who is dividing the “movement”. Well if the “movement” is aligned with animal exploitative industries, as well as individuals (Wolfgang Puck, Temple Grandin, Peter Singer, etc.), then I can’t imagine why any vegan or animal rights activist, who opposes the exploitation of other animals out of principle, would want to be a part of their “movement”.
Lisa, your claim that PETA is helping animals now is not supported by the facts. Just because they claim to be helping animals now, and run attention grabbing campaigns, doesn’t make it so.

]]> By: Lisa/LiberationNOW http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/#comment-234691 Lisa/LiberationNOW Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:20:26 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504#comment-234691 People can say what they like about PETA and they do have silly tactics sometimes, but they have done more for animals than any other group in the world. They do care however for the short term suffering of animals and not just the long term (total liberation) goal. They seek to ease the suffering in the here and now for animals and some find that as "selling out the movement". There are animals suffering this very second and I can't put blame on a group that is doing something about that. Factory farming, etc will not end tomorrow so the animals need help now, a step at a time. No group is perfect. People can say what they like about PETA and they do have silly tactics sometimes, but they have done more for animals than any other group in the world. They do care however for the short term suffering of animals and not just the long term (total liberation) goal. They seek to ease the suffering in the here and now for animals and some find that as “selling out the movement”. There are animals suffering this very second and I can't put blame on a group that is doing something about that. Factory farming, etc will not end tomorrow so the animals need help now, a step at a time. No group is perfect.

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