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	<title>Comments on: Music Video by &#8220;Against Me!&#8221; About Eric McDavid and Anna the FBI Informant</title>
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	<description>&#34;Eco-terrorism,&#34; environmental activism and animal rights activism</description>
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		<title>By: Will Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/music-video-by-against-me-about-eric-mcdavid-and-anna-the-fbi-informant/858/#comment-222385</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Miles:
That&#039;s simply not true. With a conspiracy charge, the government is arguing that two or more people conspired to engage in a criminal activity at some point in future, and that some steps towards that end had been taken (to make a very complicated and confusing explanation as simple as possible). In this case, those steps were no more than talking about the possibility of direct action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miles:<br />
That&#8217;s simply not true. With a conspiracy charge, the government is arguing that two or more people conspired to engage in a criminal activity at some point in future, and that some steps towards that end had been taken (to make a very complicated and confusing explanation as simple as possible). In this case, those steps were no more than talking about the possibility of direct action.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/music-video-by-against-me-about-eric-mcdavid-and-anna-the-fbi-informant/858/#comment-222377</link>
		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not familiar with this case - I heard the song on XRT in Chicago and thought it was cool. But I have to make a comment @lantz regarding this concept of &quot;conspiracy&quot; being a fancy term for thought crimes.

Wrong. A conspiracy is when 2 or more people work together to commit a crime. For example, I hire you to kill someone. You do so. We have conspired in execution of that crime. I am just as guilty as you.

Again, I&#039;m not saying anything about this particular case. The charges may be a bunch of BS. But to entirely dismiss the crime of conspiracy as a way for the &quot;man&quot; to keep you down is just childish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with this case &#8211; I heard the song on XRT in Chicago and thought it was cool. But I have to make a comment @lantz regarding this concept of &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; being a fancy term for thought crimes.</p>
<p>Wrong. A conspiracy is when 2 or more people work together to commit a crime. For example, I hire you to kill someone. You do so. We have conspired in execution of that crime. I am just as guilty as you.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not saying anything about this particular case. The charges may be a bunch of BS. But to entirely dismiss the crime of conspiracy as a way for the &#8220;man&#8221; to keep you down is just childish.</p>
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		<title>By: Laney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if you go through and read the court documents, pretty much all of them, &quot;Anna&quot; included, agree that Nimbus dam was never actually a real target...it was a thought, checked out, deemed not really possible and dismissed.  In fact there were never any set targets, just thoughts.  Again, all of them, &quot;anna&quot; included agreed on that as well.  The FBI and the goverment should been ashamed and embarassed as to how this case was handled.  It&#039;s so sad to think we live in a society where an adult can exploit and abuse a child, and have a lighter punishment than a man who basically just thought of doing something, somewhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if you go through and read the court documents, pretty much all of them, &#8220;Anna&#8221; included, agree that Nimbus dam was never actually a real target&#8230;it was a thought, checked out, deemed not really possible and dismissed.  In fact there were never any set targets, just thoughts.  Again, all of them, &#8220;anna&#8221; included agreed on that as well.  The FBI and the goverment should been ashamed and embarassed as to how this case was handled.  It&#8217;s so sad to think we live in a society where an adult can exploit and abuse a child, and have a lighter punishment than a man who basically just thought of doing something, somewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Marine and Scholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Marine and Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re smart people to know &quot;Joe&quot; dimwit and his clan (fbi; homeland &quot;security&quot;; etc.) are full of it.

America will be a free country again someday without the likes of chertoff whom is a dual citizen of israel and America, and the shameful cowards of the fbi, who have nothing better to do than lead Americans to break the law of the land. What the hell, the most powerful leaders, the federal politicians, are dishonest, so why not every other part of the federal government?

What made America greatest of all nations was the honesty that prevailed at EVERY level of American society, federal and state...remember that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re smart people to know &#8220;Joe&#8221; dimwit and his clan (fbi; homeland &#8220;security&#8221;; etc.) are full of it.</p>
<p>America will be a free country again someday without the likes of chertoff whom is a dual citizen of israel and America, and the shameful cowards of the fbi, who have nothing better to do than lead Americans to break the law of the land. What the hell, the most powerful leaders, the federal politicians, are dishonest, so why not every other part of the federal government?</p>
<p>What made America greatest of all nations was the honesty that prevailed at EVERY level of American society, federal and state&#8230;remember that.</p>
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		<title>By: lantz.</title>
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		<dc:creator>lantz.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I don&#039;t really believe that knife thing.  Cops (I use this as a sweeping term to include local militarized police officers, FBI, and military forces) lie, kill, and do whatever it takes to cover up their mess.  

&quot;Conspiracy&quot; is a fancy term for thoughtcrime.  Entrapment is a better term to become acquainted with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t really believe that knife thing.  Cops (I use this as a sweeping term to include local militarized police officers, FBI, and military forces) lie, kill, and do whatever it takes to cover up their mess.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Conspiracy&#8221; is a fancy term for thoughtcrime.  Entrapment is a better term to become acquainted with.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Joe, Anna provided the targets as well.

And the famous knife incident you mention had quite a few holes poked in it by the defense (which even made it into that Elle article, if I recall.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Joe, Anna provided the targets as well.</p>
<p>And the famous knife incident you mention had quite a few holes poked in it by the defense (which even made it into that Elle article, if I recall.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lantz, I not trying to push buttons and I don&#039;t believe I stated any &quot; stupid shit&quot;. What is stupid is believing that arson or conspiracy to commit arson is protected under the first amendment.

Mcdavid is not the innocent boy scout he is made out to be. Anna may have provided money and materials but Mcdavid provided the targets. He considered bystanders &quot; collateral damage&quot; and threatened to kill Anna with a knife if he found out she was FBI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lantz, I not trying to push buttons and I don&#8217;t believe I stated any &#8221; stupid shit&#8221;. What is stupid is believing that arson or conspiracy to commit arson is protected under the first amendment.</p>
<p>Mcdavid is not the innocent boy scout he is made out to be. Anna may have provided money and materials but Mcdavid provided the targets. He considered bystanders &#8221; collateral damage&#8221; and threatened to kill Anna with a knife if he found out she was FBI.</p>
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		<title>By: lantz.</title>
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		<dc:creator>lantz.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Against Me! attempts to regain SOME credibility after they were last seen Rocking The Vote.

(For the record, they do regain *a little* of it...but they are not entirely redeemed)

And at the same time, Joe continues to push peoples&#039; buttons and say stupid shit.  I wish he would give us his badge number or business card already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Against Me! attempts to regain SOME credibility after they were last seen Rocking The Vote.</p>
<p>(For the record, they do regain *a little* of it&#8230;but they are not entirely redeemed)</p>
<p>And at the same time, Joe continues to push peoples&#8217; buttons and say stupid shit.  I wish he would give us his badge number or business card already.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the harmonica and was expecting a kind of whiny, folk song. I expected not to like it, but I really liked the song :)  He&#039;s not faking that emotion. It&#039;s cool.

Hey, Will, did you see this?
http://www.garstangcourier.co.uk/news/Garstang-man39s-39living-hell39-at.4850828.jp
Haha, &quot;living hell.&quot; Please. Sounds a lot like the typical junior high school experience for a nerd :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the harmonica and was expecting a kind of whiny, folk song. I expected not to like it, but I really liked the song <img src='http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   He&#8217;s not faking that emotion. It&#8217;s cool.</p>
<p>Hey, Will, did you see this?<br />
<a href="http://www.garstangcourier.co.uk/news/Garstang-man39s-39living-hell39-at.4850828.jp" rel="nofollow">http://www.garstangcourier.co.uk/news/Garstang-man39s-39living-hell39-at.4850828.jp</a><br />
Haha, &#8220;living hell.&#8221; Please. Sounds a lot like the typical junior high school experience for a nerd <img src='http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Forager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Eric Mcdavid did not care who got hurt in his plans to further his political view, which makes him a terrorist and prison is where he belongs.&quot;

Same old bullshit argument. By your definition, every person in power is a terrorist (which I&#039;m not going to disagree with), funny how you can&#039;t take it to that level though.

It&#039;s alright for the US government to go and kill millions of Iraqi&#039;s to steal their oil but when someone supposedly THINKS (thinks being keyword there, as that is what he is accused of and convicted of, thinking of blowing up a dam, it&#039;s not they were all there at the dam with explosives in hand) of blowing up a dam for the sake of liberating the rivers that dams are killing then it&#039;s all wrong. 

&quot;Did she in some way also take away his ability to say NO, blowing up dams is wrong??&quot;

She did all she could to convince all of them to do it. As Potter said: &quot;&#039;Anna&#039; provided the group with bomb-making recipes; at times financed their transportation, food and housing; strung along McDavid, who had the hopes of a romantic relationship; and poked and prodded the group into action.&quot; She did all she could to make sure no one would change their mind. And as the lawyer said, that&#039;s entrapment, which is against the law. 

It is the fault of the government though, and this entire fucking civilization for putting up the dams in the first place and then for not removing them. People shouldn&#039;t have to take action to save the Earth, because the Earth shouldn&#039;t be being destroyed, there shouldn&#039;t be a system in place which is ecocidal. That&#039;s the problem with all of this. And what&#039;s even more stupid is that when the Earth is being killed that people such as yourself act as if we should just sit on our ass and watch TV while the world burns, pretending everything is fine while everyday it becomes worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eric Mcdavid did not care who got hurt in his plans to further his political view, which makes him a terrorist and prison is where he belongs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Same old bullshit argument. By your definition, every person in power is a terrorist (which I&#8217;m not going to disagree with), funny how you can&#8217;t take it to that level though.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s alright for the US government to go and kill millions of Iraqi&#8217;s to steal their oil but when someone supposedly THINKS (thinks being keyword there, as that is what he is accused of and convicted of, thinking of blowing up a dam, it&#8217;s not they were all there at the dam with explosives in hand) of blowing up a dam for the sake of liberating the rivers that dams are killing then it&#8217;s all wrong. </p>
<p>&#8220;Did she in some way also take away his ability to say NO, blowing up dams is wrong??&#8221;</p>
<p>She did all she could to convince all of them to do it. As Potter said: &#8220;&#8216;Anna&#8217; provided the group with bomb-making recipes; at times financed their transportation, food and housing; strung along McDavid, who had the hopes of a romantic relationship; and poked and prodded the group into action.&#8221; She did all she could to make sure no one would change their mind. And as the lawyer said, that&#8217;s entrapment, which is against the law. </p>
<p>It is the fault of the government though, and this entire fucking civilization for putting up the dams in the first place and then for not removing them. People shouldn&#8217;t have to take action to save the Earth, because the Earth shouldn&#8217;t be being destroyed, there shouldn&#8217;t be a system in place which is ecocidal. That&#8217;s the problem with all of this. And what&#8217;s even more stupid is that when the Earth is being killed that people such as yourself act as if we should just sit on our ass and watch TV while the world burns, pretending everything is fine while everyday it becomes worst.</p>
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