Comments on: Lobbying Documents Show How Corporations Snuck “Eco-Terrorism” Law Through Congress (Part 2 of 3)

By: Lin

Lin — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:43:43 +0000

Shifty, luckily for the animals, there are people in the world who don’t wait for approval from the “moderates” and “normal people” in our movement to act against injustice. It is insane to me that we live in a culture so out of touch with reality that those who torture animals for a living are respected and well paid, while those who step in to remove animals from their suffering are called “terrorists”.
10 billion animals die every year at the hands of humans, and those opposed to this atrocity have fought against it without killing or seriously injuring even ONE person. Do you think that happens by accident? Does that REALLY sound like a terrorist organization to you?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:37:50 +0000

i dont mean to get personal on an online blog, shifty, but if being “normal” or “moderate” means supporting the humane society and denonuncing all forms of radical tactics i dont really think members of elf or alf care if they have your support or not. and trust me there are plenty of intelligent people who understand animal liberation is not going to come solely by passing legislation or by peaceful protests and that more radical and immediate action is going to be needed.

By: Tracy

Tracy — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:55:50 +0000

Shifty, I’m guessing we never had to you to begin with.

By: ShiftyDevil

ShiftyDevil — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:03:18 +0000

Wait, let me get this straight. You people are just NOW getting pissed that the US government is passing ridiculous anti-terrorism laws? What because they finally targeted ACTUAL terrorists like ELF and ALF?

Please, why don’t you people go look up the definition of terrorist under the Patriot Act. My god, you people are losing normal, moderate people like me. At this point I laugh at your inane eco nonsense. The whole movement has lost credibility with intelligent logical people.

It’s embarrassing really.

By: Forager

Forager — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:14:45 +0000

Dogstuff-
“The bastion of democracy – America – should have better control of it’s legal procedures than this.”

Where are you living? The US is controlled by corporations. Why is this surprising to anyone? The whole role of the State is to oppress people. Without its oppression and control, it wouldn’t be able to go on.

“The AEPC might be proud of themselves for achieving what they set out to but in the process they wreaked shame upon an entire nation.”

The very concept of a nation should wreak shame upon any human being. The ideology of nationalism is an embarrassment to the human species. We should be speaking in terms of shame to this species. This culture is destroying the Earth and enslaving the living beings upon it, and we somehow give a surprised response when they oppress those who are defending it? The law protects those who are destroying the Earth, its very purpose is to keep business as usual running, it’s not a surprise when laws such as these that are there to stifle dissent and resistance even more so come up. Those in power aren’t just going to say “ok” to people who aren’t going along with this systems exploitation of living beings nor its genocide, it’s going to do all it can to destroy them.

Those who respond to what this culture is doing are going to have to face up to the fact that their actions are always going to be illegal. Their not just going to be given a key to open up the places to liberate the animals, their not just going to be given a slap on the wrist for stopping business’ from torturing living beings, and their not just going to let it go when someone is taking action against the ecocide. They will do all they can to stop anyone from taking any action against this systems progress. It is time that people stop looking at this all with such shock as if its all so new that the government is inherently oppressive. If we open our eyes, we can see that this is nothing new. If we stop pretending that it’s shocking that the government is not on our side, that the corporations are not on our side, maybe we can finally start to respond appropriately to what this culture is doing to us instead of acting all shocked when the predictable happens.

By: greentangle

greentangle — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:16:28 +0000

Not a comment on this post, Will, but I had to share this great headline from an email from the Center for Biological Diversity:

“California Commission Approves Damaging Transmission Line”

Get to it, ELF!

By: Animalia_Libero

Animalia_Libero — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:26:30 +0000

Wow, they did take it down.

Don’t they have anything better to do? Dollars at work!

Watch out, someone here might save a puppy!

This shit is like a bad Disney movie sometimes.

By: Sue

Sue — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:43:23 +0000

“UPDATE: The AEPC website was taken down after the first post, and the link isn’t working”

Can you find a cached copy of their site, and do a screen shot?

It should be cached for a while.

Interesting that they took it down after your first post. I guess they’re reading.

Hi, all!

By: Dog Stuff

Dog Stuff — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:32:13 +0000

The bastion of democracy – America – should have better control of it’s legal procedures than this.
The AEPC might be proud of themselves for achieving what they set out to but in the process they wreaked shame upon an entire nation.
Non-violent civil disobedience is not terrorism and never will be; sadly, given the law of unexpected consequences the AEPC in their actions may well be helping to validate real terrorism…