Comments on: ELF Fugitive Sentenced for Drug Charges in China http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:05:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: WA http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-234496 WA Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:05:17 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-234496 Because they (Solondz, Avalon, etc.) had (completely incorrect) information about what was going on there- they thought that a professor was genetically engineering trees to release in the wild and kill all the native species. The trees weren't genetically engineered, and they weren't going to kill off any species. That arson affected a lot of people, and a lot of good work. Furthermore, the work that is done at the Center for Urban Horticulture (and was done there, has always been done there) is stuff that helps the environment and the preservation of the environment; this is stuff that ELF should love.<br>That's what I care about- not that he was doing or selling drugs. I'm happy he's locked up, even if it's not for the right reason. I say get him back here, try him, and give him the min. 35 years for arson that he deserves. Because they (Solondz, Avalon, etc.) had (completely incorrect) information about what was going on there- they thought that a professor was genetically engineering trees to release in the wild and kill all the native species. The trees weren't genetically engineered, and they weren't going to kill off any species. That arson affected a lot of people, and a lot of good work. Furthermore, the work that is done at the Center for Urban Horticulture (and was done there, has always been done there) is stuff that helps the environment and the preservation of the environment; this is stuff that ELF should love.
That's what I care about- not that he was doing or selling drugs. I'm happy he's locked up, even if it's not for the right reason. I say get him back here, try him, and give him the min. 35 years for arson that he deserves.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-234449 Anonymous Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:51:39 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-234449 More reasons underground activists should be straight edge. More reasons underground activists should be straight edge.

]]> By: bruce http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-234293 bruce Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:45:34 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-234293 Why would an elf member torch a horticulture center in the first place? Whats the point? Were the plants harming someone? Why would an elf member torch a horticulture center in the first place? Whats the point? Were the plants harming someone?

]]> By: leslie james pickering http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-234090 leslie james pickering Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:48:33 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-234090 a lot of good points being made here. living off crime while on the lam is a high-stakes business. it's also impossible to completely avoid. the trick would seem to minimize this risk as much as possible. we have high expectations for our fugitives and this is not the first time they have let us down. idealistically, it would be smart not to push nickle bags or shoplift bolt cutters while you are a wanted "terrorist." in perspective, however, Justin has resisted Operation Backfire as firm as anyone could up to this point. Our support is crucial in how he is able to maintain that resistance. a lot of good points being made here. living off crime while on the lam is a high-stakes business. it’s also impossible to completely avoid. the trick would seem to minimize this risk as much as possible. we have high expectations for our fugitives and this is not the first time they have let us down. idealistically, it would be smart not to push nickle bags or shoplift bolt cutters while you are a wanted “terrorist.” in perspective, however, Justin has resisted Operation Backfire as firm as anyone could up to this point. Our support is crucial in how he is able to maintain that resistance.

]]> By: Jersey Fresh http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-234058 Jersey Fresh Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:17:07 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-234058 M. Snacks; right on the money. I heart you for taking the words out of my mou..uh, fingers. M. Snacks; right on the money. I heart you for taking the words out of my mou..uh, fingers.

]]> By: Longmontspeaks » Blog Archive » the eyes…. http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-232855 Longmontspeaks » Blog Archive » the eyes…. Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:47:59 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-232855 [...] The crazy eco people are stunned they are viewed as terrorists… ROFL look at this guy… [...] [...] The crazy eco people are stunned they are viewed as terrorists… ROFL look at this guy… [...]

]]> By: Lin http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-232618 Lin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:49:26 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-232618 Thanks for ruining the ending Matt...now I've got to take that one off my NetFlix list. Thanks for ruining the ending Matt…now I’ve got to take that one off my NetFlix list.

]]> By: matt http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-232504 matt Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:15:52 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-232504 maybe he should have become a bartender in a desert town like ed norton at the end of 25th hour. maybe he should have become a bartender in a desert town like ed norton at the end of 25th hour.

]]> By: Corvus http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-232451 Corvus Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:02:56 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-232451 Thank you, M Snacks! Now is not the time to bash drugs from our cozy homes and computers. I am technically edge (I drink coffee though) but it's because I have had drug problems in the past. Haven't touched a thing in 5 years. But, I can't guarantee that if I was in China, on the run from the law, and just trying to survive that I would not sell something as harmless as pot. Who gives a shit? The guy is being unjustly and royally fucked by the state in multiple countries for no good reason. By focusing on the "he shoulda been sXe" during this, people are kinda doing the state's work for them. Justin has my solidarity and support. I don't care if he's shooting heroin, he'll have it until he's free. Poverty and addiction often go hand in hand. Addiction is a disease that may begin with a choice but it is much more than that. Let's hope Justin gets out asap. Thank you, M Snacks! Now is not the time to bash drugs from our cozy homes and computers.

I am technically edge (I drink coffee though) but it’s because I have had drug problems in the past. Haven’t touched a thing in 5 years. But, I can’t guarantee that if I was in China, on the run from the law, and just trying to survive that I would not sell something as harmless as pot. Who gives a shit? The guy is being unjustly and royally fucked by the state in multiple countries for no good reason. By focusing on the “he shoulda been sXe” during this, people are kinda doing the state’s work for them.

Justin has my solidarity and support. I don’t care if he’s shooting heroin, he’ll have it until he’s free. Poverty and addiction often go hand in hand. Addiction is a disease that may begin with a choice but it is much more than that.

Let’s hope Justin gets out asap.

]]> By: M. Snacks http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/comment-page-1/#comment-232415 M. Snacks Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:45:59 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381#comment-232415 Ok folks, I'll be the first to say I think activists should be clean, sober, yadda yadda yadda, I've been straight edge for a good number of years now and I'm past the age when most people sell out BUT, this isn't about drugs, it's about living on crime when you're on the lam, acting as if this wouldn't have happened if he had chosen return scams or selling boosted goods is silly. I'd imagine that being on the lam it's fucking hard to make money and you wind up doing dodgy shit and sometimes you get caught. To make this about drugs is really just kind of rude and innapropriate. Ok folks, I’ll be the first to say I think activists should be clean, sober, yadda yadda yadda, I’ve been straight edge for a good number of years now and I’m past the age when most people sell out BUT, this isn’t about drugs, it’s about living on crime when you’re on the lam, acting as if this wouldn’t have happened if he had chosen return scams or selling boosted goods is silly. I’d imagine that being on the lam it’s fucking hard to make money and you wind up doing dodgy shit and sometimes you get caught. To make this about drugs is really just kind of rude and innapropriate.

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