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	<description>Reporting on "Eco-Terrorism" Witch Hunts, Blacklists and the Green Scare</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; by shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How in the world the judge didn't throw this case out is beyond me (maybe he was forced by the government to allow the case to go forward). Entrapment is defined by cases like this. It is disgusting that we live in a country that claims to be free and yet case after case shows we are not and we are losing what little freedom we have now. They did the same thing to the Civil Rights movement, to the American Indian movement, the Anti War movement... it is the same song and dance, big business uses the FBI to bully people trying to better our country and our world because they don't want to "lose profits" but if they did the right thing they could make money and help the enviroment. Wake up people before it is to late!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in the world the judge didn&#8217;t throw this case out is beyond me (maybe he was forced by the government to allow the case to go forward). Entrapment is defined by cases like this. It is disgusting that we live in a country that claims to be free and yet case after case shows we are not and we are losing what little freedom we have now. They did the same thing to the Civil Rights movement, to the American Indian movement, the Anti War movement&#8230; it is the same song and dance, big business uses the FBI to bully people trying to better our country and our world because they don&#8217;t want to &#8220;lose profits&#8221; but if they did the right thing they could make money and help the enviroment. Wake up people before it is to late!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Like OMG! Elle Glams Up the Green Scare…And Issues a Retraction? by Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/#comment-150871</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If McDavid's attorney had such a hard time getting the facts about Anna, a reporter from Elle (a fashion, right?) magazine certainly would. And unless a reporter can challenge facts with proof, they can't be printed (again, ask a libel lawyer). if nothing else, hopefully this article has called attention to this issue and other reporters will follow the story more thoroughly. In McDavid's hometown, I did a web search and barely anything was in the local papers. I think it's gutsy of Elle to do a story like this, considering their other subject matter (Madonna, Greenorexia, Eye jobs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If McDavid&#8217;s attorney had such a hard time getting the facts about Anna, a reporter from Elle (a fashion, right?) magazine certainly would. And unless a reporter can challenge facts with proof, they can&#8217;t be printed (again, ask a libel lawyer). if nothing else, hopefully this article has called attention to this issue and other reporters will follow the story more thoroughly. In McDavid&#8217;s hometown, I did a web search and barely anything was in the local papers. I think it&#8217;s gutsy of Elle to do a story like this, considering their other subject matter (Madonna, Greenorexia, Eye jobs).</p>
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		<title>Comment on McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; by Lozen</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/09/mcdavid-sentenced/#comment-150849</link>
		<dc:creator>Lozen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is clear that Joe is concerned on a very personal level- and that's a key part of understanding how people relate to "terrorism" (the fear that I or someone I love will be harmed at random) to how people relate to environmental devastation (we're all in this together, a calculated risk). I think that juries, judges, and the public cannot be expected to weigh the threat of something happening to them individually as on par with what is happening to all of us. One might think, as a species, it would be the opposite but, alas, we're all self-obsessed at the expense of others.  

It's a wonder that Joe doesn't feel terrorized by whatever his government is putting (or allowing to be put) into our air, our water.... has he seen the cancer stats lately? His wife is more likely to die from accumulated toxins, household chemicals, and radiation exposure than she is from direct action. This idea that she's ever "safe" while at work is so narrow. What about global warming, Joe? What about the very real - and universal- threats of environmental destruction that McDavid and others feel so powerfully? 

I am a very serious environmental activist, but if anybody started talking to me about blowing anything up, I would immediately assume that they were, 1. an FBI agent or 2. Out of their freaking minds. I think that McDavid was totally set up, but he also sounds incredibly naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that Joe is concerned on a very personal level- and that&#8217;s a key part of understanding how people relate to &#8220;terrorism&#8221; (the fear that I or someone I love will be harmed at random) to how people relate to environmental devastation (we&#8217;re all in this together, a calculated risk). I think that juries, judges, and the public cannot be expected to weigh the threat of something happening to them individually as on par with what is happening to all of us. One might think, as a species, it would be the opposite but, alas, we&#8217;re all self-obsessed at the expense of others.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a wonder that Joe doesn&#8217;t feel terrorized by whatever his government is putting (or allowing to be put) into our air, our water&#8230;. has he seen the cancer stats lately? His wife is more likely to die from accumulated toxins, household chemicals, and radiation exposure than she is from direct action. This idea that she&#8217;s ever &#8220;safe&#8221; while at work is so narrow. What about global warming, Joe? What about the very real - and universal- threats of environmental destruction that McDavid and others feel so powerfully? </p>
<p>I am a very serious environmental activist, but if anybody started talking to me about blowing anything up, I would immediately assume that they were, 1. an FBI agent or 2. Out of their freaking minds. I think that McDavid was totally set up, but he also sounds incredibly naive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; by Gir</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/09/mcdavid-sentenced/#comment-150826</link>
		<dc:creator>Gir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I totally understand your concerns for your &#38; your wife's safety.

I am also opposed to violence, even arson that has little to no chance of harming anyone. I also think that if Eric was going to commit violence, that he should be ashamed.

But the person who would REALLY kill people in a case like this would do so without the government pushing, romancing, and financing them into it.

What did the FBI actually accomplish? Do you think Tim Mcvay would be dissuaded by Eric's sentence of 20 years?

No - if anyone poses a threat to your wife, they are still out there and the government has wasted time and money and this person's life because they were a soft target and the real violent criminals are too much of a challenge.

You and your wife are LESS safe due to operations such as this one.

Lazy cops are still lazy cops at any level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I totally understand your concerns for your &amp; your wife&#8217;s safety.</p>
<p>I am also opposed to violence, even arson that has little to no chance of harming anyone. I also think that if Eric was going to commit violence, that he should be ashamed.</p>
<p>But the person who would REALLY kill people in a case like this would do so without the government pushing, romancing, and financing them into it.</p>
<p>What did the FBI actually accomplish? Do you think Tim Mcvay would be dissuaded by Eric&#8217;s sentence of 20 years?</p>
<p>No - if anyone poses a threat to your wife, they are still out there and the government has wasted time and money and this person&#8217;s life because they were a soft target and the real violent criminals are too much of a challenge.</p>
<p>You and your wife are LESS safe due to operations such as this one.</p>
<p>Lazy cops are still lazy cops at any level.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Like OMG! Elle Glams Up the Green Scare…And Issues a Retraction? by Emmy</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/#comment-150767</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important to remember that this reporter was speaking to someone who lied for a great while to pretty much "get ahead." It was "anna's" goal to please the FBI but also please the "family."
It is hard for me to believe that she would go to so much trouble to be so cohesive with a group that she was not truly trying to entrap such as forever marking her body with a tattoo of which she now says she never wanted, giving up so much of her life, and being so "frightened" for her safety.
It comes down to that this girl is a pathological liar and it was the duty of the reporter to check the sources of the story before going to print. Not only to help save your face as a diligent reporter but you are also dealing with labeling a whole activist community as "eco-terrorists." Believe me, I know the FBI and other media outlets do a great job of droppin the T word as it is but it is still irresponsible of any reporter to not check your facts especially when dealing with a known liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to remember that this reporter was speaking to someone who lied for a great while to pretty much &#8220;get ahead.&#8221; It was &#8220;anna&#8217;s&#8221; goal to please the FBI but also please the &#8220;family.&#8221;<br />
It is hard for me to believe that she would go to so much trouble to be so cohesive with a group that she was not truly trying to entrap such as forever marking her body with a tattoo of which she now says she never wanted, giving up so much of her life, and being so &#8220;frightened&#8221; for her safety.<br />
It comes down to that this girl is a pathological liar and it was the duty of the reporter to check the sources of the story before going to print. Not only to help save your face as a diligent reporter but you are also dealing with labeling a whole activist community as &#8220;eco-terrorists.&#8221; Believe me, I know the FBI and other media outlets do a great job of droppin the T word as it is but it is still irresponsible of any reporter to not check your facts especially when dealing with a known liar.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Like OMG! Elle Glams Up the Green Scare…And Issues a Retraction? by Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/#comment-150746</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will - I read this Elle article and have been searching through the net to find more info (I'm saying that I'm new to this story and this is just my  opinion based on shallow understanding of the facts)... I'd like to comment that I agree with Amanda and Gary. I was pretty ready to be insulted by Ms. Todd's article; but carefull reading of it brought me to the conclusion that in the end, Ms. Todd paints a picture of Anna as a driven, hawkish youth who was just as inexperienced as her three victims. It takes a few pages to get to this conclusion... maybe its the writing style - the desire to make the reader feel one way (Anna was Right) and then twist the emotions to some sort of doubt and uncertaintly (Actually, Anna was pretty pushy and the other 3 appear to have been coerced).  

Finally, I would like to thank you for putting this info in your blog (which I'm happy I found and look forward to reading more). We need to be aware of the lengths the gov will go to keep their status quo continuing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will - I read this Elle article and have been searching through the net to find more info (I&#8217;m saying that I&#8217;m new to this story and this is just my  opinion based on shallow understanding of the facts)&#8230; I&#8217;d like to comment that I agree with Amanda and Gary. I was pretty ready to be insulted by Ms. Todd&#8217;s article; but carefull reading of it brought me to the conclusion that in the end, Ms. Todd paints a picture of Anna as a driven, hawkish youth who was just as inexperienced as her three victims. It takes a few pages to get to this conclusion&#8230; maybe its the writing style - the desire to make the reader feel one way (Anna was Right) and then twist the emotions to some sort of doubt and uncertaintly (Actually, Anna was pretty pushy and the other 3 appear to have been coerced).  </p>
<p>Finally, I would like to thank you for putting this info in your blog (which I&#8217;m happy I found and look forward to reading more). We need to be aware of the lengths the gov will go to keep their status quo continuing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; by Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/09/mcdavid-sentenced/#comment-150735</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what bothers me most about this case and why I am glad McDavid received such a long sentence, is my wife and I both work at a government facilities like one of McDavids targets. We and our colleagues all feel we are doing our best to protect the environment, but still ensure wise use of the resource.

We just upgraded security measures to try and protect staff and grounds from eco-terrorist. I work in the field most of the time, but I shudder to think what if some nutjob like McDavid were to set off a device while my wife was there.

I know that so far no act of eco-terrorism has resulted in a human death, but law of averages being what they are say that will change if violence like what McDavid planned continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what bothers me most about this case and why I am glad McDavid received such a long sentence, is my wife and I both work at a government facilities like one of McDavids targets. We and our colleagues all feel we are doing our best to protect the environment, but still ensure wise use of the resource.</p>
<p>We just upgraded security measures to try and protect staff and grounds from eco-terrorist. I work in the field most of the time, but I shudder to think what if some nutjob like McDavid were to set off a device while my wife was there.</p>
<p>I know that so far no act of eco-terrorism has resulted in a human death, but law of averages being what they are say that will change if violence like what McDavid planned continues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; by rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ideal that '9/11 changes everthing' fails to take into account that 9/11 was staged:
http://stj911.org/
http://stj911.org/evidence/foreknowledge.html
You have been warned.
The descent into fascism has begun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideal that &#8216;9/11 changes everthing&#8217; fails to take into account that 9/11 was staged:<br />
<a href="http://stj911.org/" rel="nofollow">http://stj911.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://stj911.org/evidence/foreknowledge.html" rel="nofollow">http://stj911.org/evidence/foreknowledge.html</a><br />
You have been warned.<br />
The descent into fascism has begun.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; by Will Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: 
What you're trying to offer as evidence of McDavid's recklessness and violent nature is PR material from the U.S. Attorney. Come on now. 

The examples you cut and pasted from &lt;a href="http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/30-us-terror-plots.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;this website&lt;/a&gt; are different from this case for a few reasons, namely the intent to murder human beings (hundreds at a nearby school, in your last example) and also the lack of a government agent who financed, pushed and motivated the group into action.

I think it's quite reactionary to respond to FBI tactics like this, which should scare everyone regardless of their politics, simply because you're so against McDavid's beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:<br />
What you&#8217;re trying to offer as evidence of McDavid&#8217;s recklessness and violent nature is PR material from the U.S. Attorney. Come on now. </p>
<p>The examples you cut and pasted from <a href="http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/30-us-terror-plots.htm" rel="nofollow">this website</a> are different from this case for a few reasons, namely the intent to murder human beings (hundreds at a nearby school, in your last example) and also the lack of a government agent who financed, pushed and motivated the group into action.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s quite reactionary to respond to FBI tactics like this, which should scare everyone regardless of their politics, simply because you&#8217;re so against McDavid&#8217;s beliefs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a &#8220;Terrorist&#8221; by Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does blowing up a tree farm and a fish hatchery help the environment? Eric Mcdavid is no victim here he knew full well what might happen if he were caught and what could happen if he succeeded.

He told Lauren Weiner "he no longer believed that non-violent protest was working; that he told the others what they were doing was a crime; that his preferred target was the Institute of Forest Genetics, the so-called 'tree factory'; that he knew that people were living at that facility, and that he was indifferent to the possibility that someone might be accidentally killed as a result of that attack." He deserves all the time he got.


His sentence is not the unusual for this type of case a few other examples are the following,


Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is indicted by a federal grand jury for plotting to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Tex. At the time of his arrest, Polk is trying to purchase plastic explosives. He will be sentenced the following year to almost 21 years in federal prison.


Tax protester Joseph Martin Bailie is arrested for trying to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Reno, Nev. He will be sentenced to 36 years



Seven members of the Mountaineer Militia are arrested in a plot to blow up the FBI’s national fingerprint records center in West Virginia. In 1998, leader Floyd "Ray" Looker, will be sentenced to 18 years in prison.


Three Ku Klux Klan members are arrested in a plot to blow up a natural gas refinery outside Fort Worth, Texas. The three, along with a fourth arrested later, planned to blow up the refinery, killing hundreds of people including children at a nearby school, as a diversion for a simultaneous armored car robbery. All four will plead guilty to conspiracy charges and be sentenced to terms of up to 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does blowing up a tree farm and a fish hatchery help the environment? Eric Mcdavid is no victim here he knew full well what might happen if he were caught and what could happen if he succeeded.</p>
<p>He told Lauren Weiner &#8220;he no longer believed that non-violent protest was working; that he told the others what they were doing was a crime; that his preferred target was the Institute of Forest Genetics, the so-called &#8216;tree factory&#8217;; that he knew that people were living at that facility, and that he was indifferent to the possibility that someone might be accidentally killed as a result of that attack.&#8221; He deserves all the time he got.</p>
<p>His sentence is not the unusual for this type of case a few other examples are the following,</p>
<p>Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is indicted by a federal grand jury for plotting to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Tex. At the time of his arrest, Polk is trying to purchase plastic explosives. He will be sentenced the following year to almost 21 years in federal prison.</p>
<p>Tax protester Joseph Martin Bailie is arrested for trying to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Reno, Nev. He will be sentenced to 36 years</p>
<p>Seven members of the Mountaineer Militia are arrested in a plot to blow up the FBI’s national fingerprint records center in West Virginia. In 1998, leader Floyd &#8220;Ray&#8221; Looker, will be sentenced to 18 years in prison.</p>
<p>Three Ku Klux Klan members are arrested in a plot to blow up a natural gas refinery outside Fort Worth, Texas. The three, along with a fourth arrested later, planned to blow up the refinery, killing hundreds of people including children at a nearby school, as a diversion for a simultaneous armored car robbery. All four will plead guilty to conspiracy charges and be sentenced to terms of up to 20 years.</p>
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