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	<title>Comments on: Church Sues After Being &#8220;Terrorized&#8221; by Gay Activists Kissing</title>
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		<title>By: johnnygp</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnygp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what Paul108H is saying is that during pre-life my soul chose to be afflicted with faggotry?  Well, hooray for my soul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what Paul108H is saying is that during pre-life my soul chose to be afflicted with faggotry?  Well, hooray for my soul!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Vigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Vigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would hope the defense would countersue the Christian for:

1. Violently brash dress code;
2. Dangerously ignorant statements that incite censoreship directly and violence indirectly;
3. Disseminating hate speech;
4. The brash display of religious iconography and language which is itself violent, a form of psychological violence (ie. crucifictions, baptism by fire, burning in hell, etc).
5. Hypocritical speech as psychological terrorism--the Bible is replete with homophilic and homosexual stories that are the basis up which stories of equality and love for others are based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hope the defense would countersue the Christian for:</p>
<p>1. Violently brash dress code;<br />
2. Dangerously ignorant statements that incite censoreship directly and violence indirectly;<br />
3. Disseminating hate speech;<br />
4. The brash display of religious iconography and language which is itself violent, a form of psychological violence (ie. crucifictions, baptism by fire, burning in hell, etc).<br />
5. Hypocritical speech as psychological terrorism&#8211;the Bible is replete with homophilic and homosexual stories that are the basis up which stories of equality and love for others are based.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone, I have been in the field the last couple of weeks working on a radio telemetry project and was not able to look at or respond to post. 

This sentence from ARPhilo caught my eye &quot;The stupidity of people and their ability to retranslate and reword things to fit a hate agenda amazes me.&quot; 

I couldn&#039;t agree more, it has always amazed me how animal rights terrorist will reword the definition of terrorism to meet their agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone, I have been in the field the last couple of weeks working on a radio telemetry project and was not able to look at or respond to post. </p>
<p>This sentence from ARPhilo caught my eye &#8220;The stupidity of people and their ability to retranslate and reword things to fit a hate agenda amazes me.&#8221; </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more, it has always amazed me how animal rights terrorist will reword the definition of terrorism to meet their agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: ARPhilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARPhilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhhh Paul108H? The &quot;translation&quot; is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the &quot;purport&quot; on that page you posted. It&#039;s like Christians talking about homosexuality as sin when really the book states that hedonism, rape, and promiscuity for the sake of it were sin, which happened to include homosexuality at times- so rather than addressing all promiscuity and rape as a whole- they pin it on homosexuals only and homosexuality as a whole despite the fact that many are not promiscuous. So many religions are guilty of this... The stupidity of people and their ability to retranslate and reword things to fit a hate agenda amazes me.

Even your religious text does not share your hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhhh Paul108H? The &#8220;translation&#8221; is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the &#8220;purport&#8221; on that page you posted. It&#8217;s like Christians talking about homosexuality as sin when really the book states that hedonism, rape, and promiscuity for the sake of it were sin, which happened to include homosexuality at times- so rather than addressing all promiscuity and rape as a whole- they pin it on homosexuals only and homosexuality as a whole despite the fact that many are not promiscuous. So many religions are guilty of this&#8230; The stupidity of people and their ability to retranslate and reword things to fit a hate agenda amazes me.</p>
<p>Even your religious text does not share your hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They sure don&#039;t make terrorists like they used to.

Next, we&#039;ll hear that the Boston mayor&#039;s panicking over some lite-brites scattered around the city.  Oh, wait, that already happened.

01-31-2007: Boston will never forget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They sure don&#8217;t make terrorists like they used to.</p>
<p>Next, we&#8217;ll hear that the Boston mayor&#8217;s panicking over some lite-brites scattered around the city.  Oh, wait, that already happened.</p>
<p>01-31-2007: Boston will never forget</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mr. paul 108h(ate)  (any relation to kate 08)

aren&#039;t you supposed to give up material possessions? I hope you&#039;re typing these notes at the public library, coz I&#039;m not sure that ray cappo will be happy that you own a computer.

you mention science, though i&#039;m not sure exactly why or that you really believe in science -- please use science to prove that &quot;homosexuality is sinful&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mr. paul 108h(ate)  (any relation to kate 08)</p>
<p>aren&#8217;t you supposed to give up material possessions? I hope you&#8217;re typing these notes at the public library, coz I&#8217;m not sure that ray cappo will be happy that you own a computer.</p>
<p>you mention science, though i&#8217;m not sure exactly why or that you really believe in science &#8212; please use science to prove that &#8220;homosexuality is sinful&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW....It&#039;s obvious that you and I are going to have to play on different sides of the playground, because we are definitely not going to get along. I suggested that it might be a good idea to justify your beliefs with something other than quotes from religious writings because it&#039;s easier for everyone to just blow off what your saying since they don&#039;t subscribe to the same philosophical ideas....and your response is that what you&#039;re saying is cold hard fact driven scientific data because it comes from the mouth of god.
I&#039;ll give credit where credit is due though....You&#039;re very well trained in the &quot;fire burns both the christian AND the athiest....so therefore, God exists&quot; rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW&#8230;.It&#8217;s obvious that you and I are going to have to play on different sides of the playground, because we are definitely not going to get along. I suggested that it might be a good idea to justify your beliefs with something other than quotes from religious writings because it&#8217;s easier for everyone to just blow off what your saying since they don&#8217;t subscribe to the same philosophical ideas&#8230;.and your response is that what you&#8217;re saying is cold hard fact driven scientific data because it comes from the mouth of god.<br />
I&#8217;ll give credit where credit is due though&#8230;.You&#8217;re very well trained in the &#8220;fire burns both the christian AND the athiest&#8230;.so therefore, God exists&#8221; rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul108H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul108H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lin, The connection between cause and effect or action and reaction extends throughout material activity.  Don&#039;t just consider the negative side though.  A perpetrator of a crime may not get caught by the state, but he cannot avoid punishment.  Similarly, no good deed goes unrewarded.  

It makes a lot more sense than speculating that some things happen for a reason and other things for no reason.  

When people understand this, they take care to help others and not harm them.  Of course, helping doesn&#039;t always mean giving people what they want; it means doing what&#039;s good for them.  For example, if someone is hungry and wants a hamburger, I&#039;d give him a vegetarian meal and explain why.

It&#039;s really not a matter of religion.  It is science.  Fire does not only burn Hindus or Christians and exclude atheists.  The connection between cause and effect is a fact of nature.  If the Vedas say the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West, that does not make it religious doctrine.  The religious aspect is simply that Vedic knowledge is inerrant because it originates from God&#039;s own mouth.  The scriptures of meat-eaters are admittedly of human origin, but the Vedas prove God&#039;s reality simply by the fact that no human(s) could produce anything displaying so many features of perfection.  Neither is there any human author named therein or known to tradition.

l(A)ntz,  Your idea of rights is nothing more than a social construction.  What is the value of so-called rights that are not respected by others?  Whether Hitler had the right to kill Jews is a social debate, but if the Jews he killed had those rights, they obviously did them no good.  

What matters is duty, which exists whether acknowledged or not.  Rights are the passive side of another&#039;s duty.  In the matter of sexual desires, what real basis would there be for anyone to protect another person&#039;s assumed right to whatever kind of sexual relationship they may desire?  

In the matter of oppression, a meat-eater can argue that veg*n activists want to take away their right to eat the food of their choice.  I respond to them the same way I respond to gays, by instructing how it brings harmful effects to themselves and others.  I&#039;m not oppressing anyone by typing on my BlackBerry.  I&#039;m trying to educate people to help them rise above material conditioning and achieve real freedom.  

ARphilo,  That homosexuality is sinful is specified in the Manu Samhita, commonly described as &quot;The Lawbook for Mankind.&quot;  Another mention is here:  http://vedabase.net/sb/3/20/26/en  I did not give references like these before because it&#039;s not the main subject.  I was under the impression that this blog is supposed to be about protecting animals or something like that, and that the gay thing is an off topic post.  My points on the matter of karma apply universally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lin, The connection between cause and effect or action and reaction extends throughout material activity.  Don&#8217;t just consider the negative side though.  A perpetrator of a crime may not get caught by the state, but he cannot avoid punishment.  Similarly, no good deed goes unrewarded.  </p>
<p>It makes a lot more sense than speculating that some things happen for a reason and other things for no reason.  </p>
<p>When people understand this, they take care to help others and not harm them.  Of course, helping doesn&#8217;t always mean giving people what they want; it means doing what&#8217;s good for them.  For example, if someone is hungry and wants a hamburger, I&#8217;d give him a vegetarian meal and explain why.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really not a matter of religion.  It is science.  Fire does not only burn Hindus or Christians and exclude atheists.  The connection between cause and effect is a fact of nature.  If the Vedas say the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West, that does not make it religious doctrine.  The religious aspect is simply that Vedic knowledge is inerrant because it originates from God&#8217;s own mouth.  The scriptures of meat-eaters are admittedly of human origin, but the Vedas prove God&#8217;s reality simply by the fact that no human(s) could produce anything displaying so many features of perfection.  Neither is there any human author named therein or known to tradition.</p>
<p>l(A)ntz,  Your idea of rights is nothing more than a social construction.  What is the value of so-called rights that are not respected by others?  Whether Hitler had the right to kill Jews is a social debate, but if the Jews he killed had those rights, they obviously did them no good.  </p>
<p>What matters is duty, which exists whether acknowledged or not.  Rights are the passive side of another&#8217;s duty.  In the matter of sexual desires, what real basis would there be for anyone to protect another person&#8217;s assumed right to whatever kind of sexual relationship they may desire?  </p>
<p>In the matter of oppression, a meat-eater can argue that veg*n activists want to take away their right to eat the food of their choice.  I respond to them the same way I respond to gays, by instructing how it brings harmful effects to themselves and others.  I&#8217;m not oppressing anyone by typing on my BlackBerry.  I&#8217;m trying to educate people to help them rise above material conditioning and achieve real freedom.  </p>
<p>ARphilo,  That homosexuality is sinful is specified in the Manu Samhita, commonly described as &#8220;The Lawbook for Mankind.&#8221;  Another mention is here:  <a href="http://vedabase.net/sb/3/20/26/en" rel="nofollow">http://vedabase.net/sb/3/20/26/en</a>  I did not give references like these before because it&#8217;s not the main subject.  I was under the impression that this blog is supposed to be about protecting animals or something like that, and that the gay thing is an off topic post.  My points on the matter of karma apply universally.</p>
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		<title>By: MY LIFE &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Terrorized&#8221;? SRSLY?</title>
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		<dc:creator>MY LIFE &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Terrorized&#8221;? SRSLY?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is just absolutely insane!   Church Sues After Being “Terrorized” by Gay Activists Kissing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to skip over all of the obvious quips like &quot;what about turning the other cheek, loving your enemy, blah blah&quot; because its trite and full of holes, but at the same time I hope people are laughing on the inside at the shallow irony of a church filing a lawsuit.
But really, I&#039;m left wondering what they are going to be claiming as &quot;damages&quot;. I read through the filed complaint. Trespassing, OK, obstruction or some crap, I could maybe see, but what are these damages? I didn&#039;t read anything about property damages so I&#039;m only left with money they didn&#039;t get to collect from the parishioners? and attorneys&#039; fees (which they brought on themselves by filing the complaint in the first place.)
I&#039;m not going to shed a tear if any of the Bash Back!ers get slapped with a trespassing misdemeanor and are not allowed back at that church. They obviously knew what they were doing, and did a damn good job of it, very successful for what BB!Lansing&#039;s aims seemed to be, in my humble opinion. But I will be upset if they are heavily fined for a ton of crap for these shadowy &quot;damages&quot; that people incurred.
I mean this next comment with the utmost respect for anyone of any gender, race, creed, sexual orientation, or whatever else you might identify as. But, another bit of irony I find is that this group of dominant people (from the news reports I&#039;ve seen, predominantly white, Christian, and heterosexual) were &quot;terrorized&quot; by what &quot;that one asshole in high school&quot; would describe as &quot;a bunch of pussies and fags&quot;.  It&#039;s sad that there was even a reason for this protest in the first place, but until hate and sexual discrimination is extinguished, BB! will have a reason to exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to skip over all of the obvious quips like &#8220;what about turning the other cheek, loving your enemy, blah blah&#8221; because its trite and full of holes, but at the same time I hope people are laughing on the inside at the shallow irony of a church filing a lawsuit.<br />
But really, I&#8217;m left wondering what they are going to be claiming as &#8220;damages&#8221;. I read through the filed complaint. Trespassing, OK, obstruction or some crap, I could maybe see, but what are these damages? I didn&#8217;t read anything about property damages so I&#8217;m only left with money they didn&#8217;t get to collect from the parishioners? and attorneys&#8217; fees (which they brought on themselves by filing the complaint in the first place.)<br />
I&#8217;m not going to shed a tear if any of the Bash Back!ers get slapped with a trespassing misdemeanor and are not allowed back at that church. They obviously knew what they were doing, and did a damn good job of it, very successful for what BB!Lansing&#8217;s aims seemed to be, in my humble opinion. But I will be upset if they are heavily fined for a ton of crap for these shadowy &#8220;damages&#8221; that people incurred.<br />
I mean this next comment with the utmost respect for anyone of any gender, race, creed, sexual orientation, or whatever else you might identify as. But, another bit of irony I find is that this group of dominant people (from the news reports I&#8217;ve seen, predominantly white, Christian, and heterosexual) were &#8220;terrorized&#8221; by what &#8220;that one asshole in high school&#8221; would describe as &#8220;a bunch of pussies and fags&#8221;.  It&#8217;s sad that there was even a reason for this protest in the first place, but until hate and sexual discrimination is extinguished, BB! will have a reason to exist.</p>
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