Comments on: The SHAC 7, the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, and the Future of the Green Scare http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2006-plenary/80/ Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:11:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mike Frazer http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2006-plenary/80/comment-page-1/#comment-234714 Mike Frazer Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:01:05 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/15/the-shac-7-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-and-the-future-of-the-green-scare/#comment-234714 Dear Will,... "hasn't been used against 100 def's..." Yes, it was, and it resulted in the 9th Circuit opinion that it was law-enforcement only, no "private cause of action." One of at least three similar lawsuits filed by post conviction law-offenders to retailiate against hundreds of individuals; witnesses and many government officials and private "humane org's." see: Gabor v Frazer et al... for 9th Circuit decision (denied US cert). Couple more available but 'Gabor' appeal resulted in written decision available on web. (According to my personal involvement and possession of hundreds of pages of motions and pro per filings before the decision made public!) Def's named include then AG Janet Reno etc and certainly was used against 100's of listed names... (officials and private citizen witnesses). One case of many hundreds available documenting nationwide animal scams.<br>Mike Dear Will,… “hasn't been used against 100 def's…” Yes, it was, and it resulted in the 9th Circuit opinion that it was law-enforcement only, no “private cause of action.” One of at least three similar lawsuits filed by post conviction law-offenders to retailiate against hundreds of individuals; witnesses and many government officials and private “humane org's.” see: Gabor v Frazer et al… for 9th Circuit decision (denied US cert). Couple more available but 'Gabor' appeal resulted in written decision available on web. (According to my personal involvement and possession of hundreds of pages of motions and pro per filings before the decision made public!) Def's named include then AG Janet Reno etc and certainly was used against 100's of listed names… (officials and private citizen witnesses). One case of many hundreds available documenting nationwide animal scams.
Mike

]]> By: Will Potter http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2006-plenary/80/comment-page-1/#comment-166568 Will Potter Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:42:23 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/15/the-shac-7-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-and-the-future-of-the-green-scare/#comment-166568 Mike: Are you sure you are talking about the AETA (or, at that time, the Animal Enterprise Protection Act)? Because it's not a law that could be "used" by a citizen, and the law certainly hasn't been used against 100 defendants and a former attorney general. It was used against Justin Samuel and Peter Young for fur farm raids, and then against the SHAC7. (That's according to my own research, and also according to congressional testimony by FBI and DOJ). Best, Will Mike:
Are you sure you are talking about the AETA (or, at that time, the Animal Enterprise Protection Act)? Because it’s not a law that could be “used” by a citizen, and the law certainly hasn’t been used against 100 defendants and a former attorney general. It was used against Justin Samuel and Peter Young for fur farm raids, and then against the SHAC7. (That’s according to my own research, and also according to congressional testimony by FBI and DOJ). Best, Will

]]> By: Mike Frazer http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2006-plenary/80/comment-page-1/#comment-166566 Mike Frazer Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:30:52 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/15/the-shac-7-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-and-the-future-of-the-green-scare/#comment-166566 Potter, re: AETA, 1992-3 version. First 'use' was by convicted felon whose "private cause of action" snared 100+ defendents (including US AG Reno) and subsequent enlistment tool for several similar lawsuits dismissed in district and appellate courts in CA and FL, US cert declined. One issue discussed in-progess book. Are you aware of the Act being used in the early 90's? MF Potter,
re: AETA, 1992-3 version. First ‘use’ was by convicted felon whose “private cause of action” snared 100+ defendents (including US AG Reno) and subsequent enlistment tool for several similar lawsuits dismissed in district and appellate courts in CA and FL, US cert declined. One issue discussed in-progess book. Are you aware of the Act being used in the early 90’s?
MF

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]]> By: Virgil Butler http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2006-plenary/80/comment-page-1/#comment-477 Virgil Butler Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:56:02 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/15/the-shac-7-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-and-the-future-of-the-green-scare/#comment-477 I totally agree. I have suffereed nothing but harassment ever since I came forward and blew the whistle on Tyson, publicly and fearlessly telling of their illegal and unethical activities, and then, just for fun and because they harassed me first, added in the actions of a few corrupt cops who support them. Boy, but did I stir up one hell of an anthill! I really wish I could have been at this year's conference to hear you and others talk, like I was last year when I gave a plenary talk, but I just couldn't make it again - not enough $$$$$. Besides, we're building a house and rehabbing some rescues right now. So, bad timing, too. I wish I could hear what you had to say by clicking on the little arrow, but out here in the boonies, we only get very S-L-O-W dial-up, and I can only hear a few words, then a pause, then a few more - MADDENING! But I can about guesss what it is, anyway, because I have been following this pretty closely, especially as I have also been called the "T" word (though I have no idea what my "T-level" is - how does one figure that out????) and even interrogated, among other things. I intend to pass along the URL to your site, as this issue is more important than many activists realize. They really and truly believe that if they don't commit any crime and only peacefully protest, that they won't be targeted. Well, that's what I used to think, too. That is, until I was indeed targeted. Even accused of crimes I didn't commit. Wiretapped. Searched. Even set up and arrested. Etc. etc. Fellow Activists - be scared - very scared. What he says is right. But, fight back - fight back HARD! - don't shrink from this fight, don't just talk the talk, but really and truly walk the walk (you are NOT alone!), and be proud. And be LOUD! I totally agree. I have suffereed nothing but harassment ever since I came forward and blew the whistle on Tyson, publicly and fearlessly telling of their illegal and unethical activities, and then, just for fun and because they harassed me first, added in the actions of a few corrupt cops who support them.

Boy, but did I stir up one hell of an anthill!

I really wish I could have been at this year’s conference to hear you and others talk, like I was last year when I gave a plenary talk, but I just couldn’t make it again – not enough $$$$$. Besides, we’re building a house and rehabbing some rescues right now. So, bad timing, too.

I wish I could hear what you had to say by clicking on the little arrow, but out here in the boonies, we only get very S-L-O-W dial-up, and I can only hear a few words, then a pause, then a few more – MADDENING! But I can about guesss what it is, anyway, because I have been following this pretty closely, especially as I have also been called the “T” word (though I have no idea what my “T-level” is – how does one figure that out????) and even interrogated, among other things.

I intend to pass along the URL to your site, as this issue is more important than many activists realize. They really and truly believe that if they don’t commit any crime and only peacefully protest, that they won’t be targeted. Well, that’s what I used to think, too. That is, until I was indeed targeted. Even accused of crimes I didn’t commit. Wiretapped. Searched. Even set up and arrested. Etc. etc.

Fellow Activists – be scared – very scared. What he says is right. But, fight back – fight back HARD! – don’t shrink from this fight, don’t just talk the talk, but really and truly walk the walk (you are NOT alone!), and be proud.

And be LOUD!

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