Comments on: Like OMG! Elle Glams Up the Green Scare…And Issues a Retraction? http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/ Will Potter reports on “eco-terrorism” witch hunts and the Green Scare, including: The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, Earth Liberation Front, Animal Liberation Front, Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, and civil liberties. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:30:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Glamourising the Green Scare « killing denouement http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-153083 Glamourising the Green Scare « killing denouement Fri, 30 May 2008 14:44:49 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-153083 [...] under: anna, elle, eric mcdavid, fbi, green scare | Tags: anna, elle, eric mcdav, fbi, green scare THIS made me incredibly angry at first. And super surprised that something like ELLE would dip into this [...] [...] under: anna, elle, eric mcdavid, fbi, green scare | Tags: anna, elle, eric mcdav, fbi, green scare THIS made me incredibly angry at first. And super surprised that something like ELLE would dip into this [...]

]]> By: Amanda http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-151859 Amanda Thu, 22 May 2008 02:32:47 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-151859 wrong , left or right, is sad and dangerous. so sad. so dangerous. wrong , left or right, is sad and dangerous. so sad. so dangerous.

]]> By: Dykonoclast http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-151425 Dykonoclast Sun, 18 May 2008 01:46:43 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-151425 Damnit-- I've tried downloading the PDF twice and when I open it it's all scrambly and completely unrecognizable. I hate my life :-( Damnit– I’ve tried downloading the PDF twice and when I open it it’s all scrambly and completely unrecognizable.

I hate my life :-(

]]> By: Will Potter http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-151339 Will Potter Sat, 17 May 2008 02:07:19 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-151339 Amanda: No, I have not deleted any comments from you. And no, that is NOT in direct opposition to what I'm saying, because the first few paragraphs of this blog post WERE A JOKE. Good grief. I thought the tone, and the fact that I specifically say that I'm joking, would clue you in to that. Will Amanda:
No, I have not deleted any comments from you.

And no, that is NOT in direct opposition to what I’m saying, because the first few paragraphs of this blog post WERE A JOKE. Good grief. I thought the tone, and the fact that I specifically say that I’m joking, would clue you in to that. Will

]]> By: Amanda http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-151310 Amanda Fri, 16 May 2008 23:33:20 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-151310 Why was my post deleted? About the article saying specifically that these groupings are in no way similar to Al Qeada training camps (in direct opposition to what you, Will, say in the first paragraph of this article? Kinda like something the Bush administration would do. Delete any critical feedback or facts that prove you were incorrect. Why was my post deleted? About the article saying specifically that these groupings are in no way similar to Al Qeada training camps (in direct opposition to what you, Will, say in the first paragraph of this article?
Kinda like something the Bush administration would do. Delete any critical feedback or facts that prove you were incorrect.

]]> By: p glam http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-151109 p glam Thu, 15 May 2008 10:38:47 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-151109 [...] how she betrayed some environmental activists and set back the environmental movement 800 years.http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/What Kind of Diamond Are You? 1 of 3Join Glam.com For celebrity photos, style tips, cool quizzes, [...] [...] how she betrayed some environmental activists and set back the environmental movement 800 years.http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/What Kind of Diamond Are You? 1 of 3Join Glam.com For celebrity photos, style tips, cool quizzes, [...]

]]> By: Amanda http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-150871 Amanda Tue, 13 May 2008 00:36:12 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-150871 If McDavid's attorney had such a hard time getting the facts about Anna, a reporter from Elle (a fashion, right?) magazine certainly would. And unless a reporter can challenge facts with proof, they can't be printed (again, ask a libel lawyer). if nothing else, hopefully this article has called attention to this issue and other reporters will follow the story more thoroughly. In McDavid's hometown, I did a web search and barely anything was in the local papers. I think it's gutsy of Elle to do a story like this, considering their other subject matter (Madonna, Greenorexia, Eye jobs). If McDavid’s attorney had such a hard time getting the facts about Anna, a reporter from Elle (a fashion, right?) magazine certainly would. And unless a reporter can challenge facts with proof, they can’t be printed (again, ask a libel lawyer). if nothing else, hopefully this article has called attention to this issue and other reporters will follow the story more thoroughly. In McDavid’s hometown, I did a web search and barely anything was in the local papers. I think it’s gutsy of Elle to do a story like this, considering their other subject matter (Madonna, Greenorexia, Eye jobs).

]]> By: Emmy http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-150767 Emmy Mon, 12 May 2008 06:51:30 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-150767 It is important to remember that this reporter was speaking to someone who lied for a great while to pretty much "get ahead." It was "anna's" goal to please the FBI but also please the "family." It is hard for me to believe that she would go to so much trouble to be so cohesive with a group that she was not truly trying to entrap such as forever marking her body with a tattoo of which she now says she never wanted, giving up so much of her life, and being so "frightened" for her safety. It comes down to that this girl is a pathological liar and it was the duty of the reporter to check the sources of the story before going to print. Not only to help save your face as a diligent reporter but you are also dealing with labeling a whole activist community as "eco-terrorists." Believe me, I know the FBI and other media outlets do a great job of droppin the T word as it is but it is still irresponsible of any reporter to not check your facts especially when dealing with a known liar. It is important to remember that this reporter was speaking to someone who lied for a great while to pretty much “get ahead.” It was “anna’s” goal to please the FBI but also please the “family.”
It is hard for me to believe that she would go to so much trouble to be so cohesive with a group that she was not truly trying to entrap such as forever marking her body with a tattoo of which she now says she never wanted, giving up so much of her life, and being so “frightened” for her safety.
It comes down to that this girl is a pathological liar and it was the duty of the reporter to check the sources of the story before going to print. Not only to help save your face as a diligent reporter but you are also dealing with labeling a whole activist community as “eco-terrorists.” Believe me, I know the FBI and other media outlets do a great job of droppin the T word as it is but it is still irresponsible of any reporter to not check your facts especially when dealing with a known liar.

]]> By: Raven http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-150746 Raven Mon, 12 May 2008 03:34:27 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-150746 Will - I read this Elle article and have been searching through the net to find more info (I'm saying that I'm new to this story and this is just my opinion based on shallow understanding of the facts)... I'd like to comment that I agree with Amanda and Gary. I was pretty ready to be insulted by Ms. Todd's article; but carefull reading of it brought me to the conclusion that in the end, Ms. Todd paints a picture of Anna as a driven, hawkish youth who was just as inexperienced as her three victims. It takes a few pages to get to this conclusion... maybe its the writing style - the desire to make the reader feel one way (Anna was Right) and then twist the emotions to some sort of doubt and uncertaintly (Actually, Anna was pretty pushy and the other 3 appear to have been coerced). Finally, I would like to thank you for putting this info in your blog (which I'm happy I found and look forward to reading more). We need to be aware of the lengths the gov will go to keep their status quo continuing. Will - I read this Elle article and have been searching through the net to find more info (I’m saying that I’m new to this story and this is just my opinion based on shallow understanding of the facts)… I’d like to comment that I agree with Amanda and Gary. I was pretty ready to be insulted by Ms. Todd’s article; but carefull reading of it brought me to the conclusion that in the end, Ms. Todd paints a picture of Anna as a driven, hawkish youth who was just as inexperienced as her three victims. It takes a few pages to get to this conclusion… maybe its the writing style - the desire to make the reader feel one way (Anna was Right) and then twist the emotions to some sort of doubt and uncertaintly (Actually, Anna was pretty pushy and the other 3 appear to have been coerced).

Finally, I would like to thank you for putting this info in your blog (which I’m happy I found and look forward to reading more). We need to be aware of the lengths the gov will go to keep their status quo continuing.

]]> By: Gary http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/05/02/elle_anna/comment-page-1/#comment-150471 Gary Fri, 09 May 2008 18:57:16 +0000 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=421#comment-150471 Will: Amanda is the one on track regarding the content of the Elle article and the job faced by the writer. For you to say or imply that the writer did not question "the lies and misinformation provided by “Anna” and government sources" shows you did not read the article carefully, or are reading it from a very biased viewpoint. First, if the article was all about 'Anna,' it would have been titled "The Believer" (singular); instead it is plural ("Believers"), showing that the various subjects in the story ('Anna' as well as Eric and Lauren and Zachary) believed in what they were doing. More importantly, the article is filled with responses from Eric, Eric's attorney, Eric's family, and jurors - - clearly showing that the verdict rendered maybe shouldn't sit well with anyone. At the end of the story the writer even includes 'Anna's' own doubts about what has happened. Also, as readers of Ms. Todd's story we have no idea what cooperation, or lack of cooperation she received from the subjects in the story - - how do we know what any of these individuals were willing to say, whether they called back the writer, etc. Try writing a story in which you must interview people on both sides of a pending dispute, especially when there may be some risk for such individuals to speak, and see how difficult it may be. Lastly, for a feature story such as this one we have no idea what the Elle 'editors' did - - the writer does not necessarily have much control over what makes it in the story. Overall, supporters of Eric should be thankful that a lenghtly feature made it into a mainstream magazine - - even if the article told more of Anna's story. The Elle piece is likley to introduce the subject matter, and the idea that post-911 effects on criminal law & sentencing are not all positive, to many more people than the ramblings on far left or far right web site blogs. Ms Todd should be thanked for that. Will: Amanda is the one on track regarding the content of the Elle article and the job faced by the writer. For you to say or imply that the writer did not question “the lies and misinformation provided by “Anna” and government sources” shows you did not read the article carefully, or are reading it from a very biased viewpoint. First, if the article was all about ‘Anna,’ it would have been titled “The Believer” (singular); instead it is plural (”Believers”), showing that the various subjects in the story (’Anna’ as well as Eric and Lauren and Zachary) believed in what they were doing. More importantly, the article is filled with responses from Eric, Eric’s attorney, Eric’s family, and jurors - - clearly showing that the verdict rendered maybe shouldn’t sit well with anyone. At the end of the story the writer even includes ‘Anna’s’ own doubts about what has happened.
Also, as readers of Ms. Todd’s story we have no idea what cooperation, or lack of cooperation she received from the subjects in the story - - how do we know what any of these individuals were willing to say, whether they called back the writer, etc. Try writing a story in which you must interview people on both sides of a pending dispute, especially when there may be some risk for such individuals to speak, and see how difficult it may be. Lastly, for a feature story such as this one we have no idea what the Elle ‘editors’ did - - the writer does not necessarily have much control over what makes it in the story.
Overall, supporters of Eric should be thankful that a lenghtly feature made it into a mainstream magazine - - even if the article told more of Anna’s story. The Elle piece is likley to introduce the subject matter, and the idea that post-911 effects on criminal law & sentencing are not all positive, to many more people than the ramblings on far left or far right web site blogs. Ms Todd should be thanked for that.

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